2026 Year of the Fire Horse with Dhugal Meachem

Chinese New Year- Year of the horse with Dhugal meachem
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[00:00:00] Hi y and welcome or welcome back to a Yin Yoga podcast. We have a guest today and I will get to that in just a moment. Our friend who’s been on the show before Jule Mitchum is coming on today to talk to us about something interesting little, , Chinese astrology perhaps we’re gonna talk a little bit about Year of the Horse.

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Even if it’s not for the next round. Okay. So that’s enough of that. I reached out to Dougal because I [00:04:00] know he has a pretty in-depth knowledge of Chinese culture and just said, Hey, , anything about this year of the horse business sounds pretty exciting and Chinese New Year, at the time of this recording has not happened yet.

And so I thought, what a lovely opportunity to do that. , And so we will be talking a little bit about that. And the next time that you, hear from me, I’ll be with Dougle.

I Hi Dougal and welcome back to a Yin Yoga podcast. Hey there. Hey there. Queen of yin, I prefer Empress.

Thank you. Just kidding. , So for those of you listening, Dole has been on before. I will co link that other episode in the episode notes. This one is gonna be a little bit more kind of, it’ll still be very educational, but a little more informal. Not so much like an interview about Dougal’s journey to yoga and all that.

You can definitely check out that episode for all that [00:05:00] stuff. I reached out to Dougle because I was on the socials scrolling as one does, and I was seeing that this is going to be year of the horse, the fire horse nonetheless, and that we had just come from Year of the Snake, which I didn’t realize until I saw this.

And then we’re just reading some of the symbolism of, what does Year of the Snake mean for us? And then what does Year of the Fire horse mean? And I got so excited that I reached out to Dougle and said, Hey, do you know anything about this? Do you wanna come talk to us about this? And so here we are, here We’re um, before we get into that though, just for anyone who hasn’t met you before, just briefly a little,, who is Dougle?

What does he do in the world, that kind of thing. So, uh, I think you, and you and I Nick met, is it a decade ago? It feels like it’s a long time ago. Back in, , yin yoga trainings with Paul Greeley. Mm-hmm. And I have both since gone on and we’re both teacher training now. Before that I was already, um, kind of teaching yoga, but [00:06:00] my original training, I lived in Hong Kong for 20 years in Singapore as a kid.

So that’s, I’m British, but my accent obviously gives me way as not very British sounding. And so I was already teaching, , Qigong and, and Tai Chi and , although I spent a long time in a, in a suit all the times I was outside of a suit when I was a student in Taiwan, , learning Mandarin Chinese, I was in parks,, learning Qigong and Tai Chi.

And, , so that’s why what I also offer along with din and along with that, and we’re gonna talk about that today, is the mythology. And the worldview of these beautiful, , practices where yin came from, where, uh, Qigong and the martial arts came from. And, uh, I’ve been adding over the years., Acupuncture, you did that as well, uh, wisely quit while you were, uh, before going head over.

I didn’t quit, kept going. And I’m now adding a Chinese herbal medicine to my belt as well, which I’m really enjoying because it’s, , it’s this worldview which we’re about to talk about [00:07:00] of, of the cosmic, dance that is, Taoism and Chinese and natural philosophy, which here in yoga, yoga falls into , and, the divination, , and cyclical view of how the world, the universe works.

Mm-hmm. Um, so I’m a, I’m, I love this. My, my newsletter is called The Quiet Rebellion. Um, love it. So it’s all about, you know, how these, all these practices bring us into a, a quiet meditative state where we become aware of this massive cosmic, , pl that we’re a part of. Hmm. I love that you’re adding herbs.

Good for you. Uh, it’s such a beautiful thing and I’m, I don’t know about you Nick, but I’m a middle-aged man now. And, um, I’m surrounded by middle-aged human beings who, and they are yogis, they’re yoga teacher trainers, , and health. Their health is not always what they wish it to be. And some of them have really nasty problems.

And Chinese medicine is [00:08:00] just, as you know, from your yin practices and all the stuff that you do, it’s just another opportunity, another way to look at your health, look at your body, look at your mind, and there’s some real gold in there. So I’m loving it. In fact, even from my. My own personal life. There was a point in my life, this is when I really, I had been practicing in, but this is when I dove into it being my primary yoga practice, was I had, um, a whole bunch of things going on.

I guess you could have called it probably chronic fatigue. , But they were kept testing me. Western medicine, , kept testing me and I kept getting this, you’re within the range of normal. It’s like not feeling very normal. I know my normal energizer bunny self and this is not normal. Mm-hmm. Um, and then it was through going to an acupuncturist for actually , chronically tight Right.

Trapezius not even knowing, , ’cause my chiropractor recommended it. And I think a lot of people go to acupuncture first for like musculoskeletal stuff. That’s not rare. [00:09:00] Um, and when we we’re doing the intake though, the great thing about Chinese medicine practitioners is they’re gonna talk to you about what you came for.

They’re gonna talk to you about everything. Yeah. And you’re gonna get, they’re gonna get a whole picture of your health. And I said, well, and I’ve been getting testing, and of course they can’t seem to tell me what’s what’s wrong. And she said, well, it’s interesting because from a Chinese medicine perspective, everything you just told me is all connected.

And I was like, huh. So that was my first little inkling into , oh, this medicine can be used for more than just my shoulder pain. Um, and that actually the root of all of the symptomology that I’ve been trying to get help with is the same route in Chinese medicine. I’ve said it before on the podcast, but one of the things I love the most about Chinese medicine is that root branch theory, where it’s yes, we will help you with your headache and we’re gonna try to figure out why do you have that headache?

Which is very different, right? Than allopathic medicine where they’re just like a. [00:10:00] Here’s a prescription. See ya. You know? Yeah. My, , my supervisor right now, so I’m in my clinical years, which means I’m, now, I’m treating people, but I’m supervised, uh, by, in a great school. I’m in here in the uk. And, , my supervisor this morning told me, , just reminded us again, there’s, in Chinese medicine, we don’t make the separation that western medicine makes mind, body.

There is no mm-hmm. Separation. Mm-hmm. Like front and back of hand. They’re just, they’re there together. So Absolutely. People hate it when you say that. They’re like, you might be having that pain because of emotional stuff that’s going on. Some people love it. You know, yogis. Mm-hmm. But some people really don’t like that at all.

So it’s very interesting. I was excited by it and she’s like, well, let’s talk about your spleen tea. I was like, yes. Let’s, let’s talk about my spleen tea. What does that even mean? You know, you crazy yogi. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like, what does that even mean? My spleen has g tell me all about this. Yes. Um. It was that experience that actually did cause me to dive [00:11:00] into Chinese medicine studies, which I haven’t continued in an acupuncture capacity, but I do plan on doing my medical Qigong, , oh wow.

Train. Yeah. That was actually supposed to happen right before COVID and , so that’s my plan. I’m just trying to figure out now how I can study with this gal locally who has a really good reputation, , and still also run teacher trainings. That’s, I’ve just, yeah. , I’ve been running my first Qigong teacher training this year, uh, last year.

And I just, exactly what we’re talking about people, yo they’re all yogis, some of them teachers and teacher trainers, even some of them on the course. And they didn’t realize this whole bunch of psychoemotional stuff that was going on. And Qigong is just a different opportunity. It’s just a different way of moving your body and people really get a lot out of just having a different view, a different take on stuff.

I have only done a little Qigong dabbled, , but one of the things that I remember being so remarkable, well, two [00:12:00] things about Qigong was when I was studying it in Chinese medicine school. , And the teacher kept telling me that I needed to shorten my stride because, you know, as a yogi, right, we were doing these like warrior strides.

You thought I should be parallel to the floor, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, narrow that in. You’ve got no power there. Like, you know, bring your legs closer. And, and, and he’d, and I’d bring them a little closer and he is like, closer. And I’d bring him in. He’s like, KU closer. So that, that I found very interesting.

But I, but he was right. I didn’t have any strength when I was all splayed out like that. Um, and then the other, uh, thing that I really loved about Qigong was I was surprised when I did those practices how much warmth and heat I could build. , I’m just little TMI here friends. I’m not a sweater. Like, I just, it takes a lot for me to get dewy or even break a sweat.

I’m just genetically that way. And I would find myself doing Qigong and , be getting warm and getting a little dewy. Oh, wow. And I was [00:13:00] like, and yet I didn’t feel like I exerted myself. And I was like, this is magic. Mm-hmm. Because when you come from a yoga background, the only time I ever get that sweaty is if I was also lying on a little puddle on my mat, you know?

Totally, totally exhausted afterwards. So yeah, very, and I definitely, you heard it here first. Friends will be taking your Qigong course at some point. I just have to figure out the logistics of it. , It’s, uh, yeah, less is more is , really a fascinating topic. When you let go the chief flows and, um, that’s what it, it sounds like is happening for you.

Nice. So let’s talk a little bit, where should we start with this? Because we don’t wanna just dive into. Of the fire horse. If people don’t understand, , shall we start with, shall we start with a, a bedtime story? Yes, please. With a once upon a Time. I think this is the way that Chinese children talk about this.

So we’re talking about Chinese New Year and , how the animals got there and the Jada [00:14:00] Emperor, who is kind of this , father Christmas, Santa Claus kind of figure who sits up there in the heavens, in the cosmos, , said, , yin and yang flows. The cycles of time come and go. But this is hard for the people to understand.

So animals of the universe, I’m going to make each of the 12 years named after the best animals in the universe. And, , the animals will go, yay, this is great. But. How do I figure out which animal goes where and what order we go in? Well, what I want you to is there’s different variations of this, but something like, I want you to race across the Milky Way, and the one who wins will be the one at the beginning, which is the best year

um, so all the animals go, yay, okay, no problem. I’m gonna win. There’s pigs and dogs and roosters, and there’s a dragon in there as well. Of course, Chinese mythology is a dragon, so the pig is a bit slow and the pig ends up being [00:15:00] last. So if you’re in a pig year. It’s the last year in the cycle.

The dog, anyone who’s a dog owner jumps in the water and goes, Hey, this is fun. And starts playing in the water and never really gets much further than the pig. The chicken or the rooster dives in and goes, uh, hang. I’m a chicken in water here. This is not going very well. The monkey, the goat, and the horse are all having fun, but none of them are really water animals.

But a snake hides on the horse’s leg and when they’re getting close to the other side, , SLS off the horse’s leg scares the horse and beats the horse in front of the snake. A dragon who could have won. But this is all Chinese people. ’cause all Chinese people are childrens of dragons.

He was too generous or they were too generous and so they stopped to help other animals. So it didn’t win. , A rabbit had hopped across the stones of the Milky Way, sometimes aided by the dragon. Um, the [00:16:00] tiger was powerful but was slowed bound by the river ’cause they won a water animal. And then here’s who should have won the ox or getting to, this is the 11th animal.

The ox, water buffalo plows across the Milky Way. And just as they’re about to win, , a rat who’d rode on the ox, the hallway jumped over and at the finish line , and won. And so you have these 12 animals and what are they representing? Well. I think we’ve kind of lost this in Canada and in certainly in most Europe, where we’re kind of 2000 years of Christian history.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But if you go back, you’ll, you’ll know, every time I go to Canada, I love this, , you acknowledge the owners, , the original, , Aboriginal owners of the land, the Indians have this all through South America. The Chinese, the Africans, the Australasians, all have this deep cyclical relationship and mythological understanding of the universe around [00:17:00] them.

And for the Chinese, there, there is a, a cycle of the cosmos, which they call and they break it into 10 pieces if you like. And they call those the 10 heavenly stems. Um, and then they have, we are on Earth and they have 12 cycles of earthly kind of energy or matter. And humans are in the middle. And so , these animals, there are 12 of them represent the 12.

Flavors of time, if you like, on the earth. So if you ever ask, , I’m a water rat. So we are the ones that won. So, uh, we’re kind of conniving and a bit clever and a bit fast. A dragon is kind and powerful. , Tigers are powerful and very young animals, monkeys are kind of clever and adaptive.

Uh, dogs are playful and loyal. , So if you ever, if you have a kid who’s born as a dog. So all of these, but these are man omic ways for us to understand the [00:18:00] cycles in the same ways. You know, we have, um, winter, spring, summer, and fall, very different flavors, very different chi. So these animals represent, , to cut , a long story short.

So 12 earthly cycles of energy. 10 heavenly cycles of energy. The number which both of these can be divided first by 60. So there are 60 years is a 60 year cycle. And next year is a fire horse. So the horse is one of the 12 energies and the fire is the yang version. So each of the 12 has a yin and yangs.

There’s 24 and you’ve got the five, elements. And that ends up as a cycle of 60. So there’s 60 different in the same way as you get up in the morning and go through a day. There are 60 periods through a cycle, and this is the Chinese lunar solar cycle. And these animals help [00:19:00] us understand. So for example, , a rabbit year, a kind of bouncy and hoppy and, , it’s a good time to have children because rabbits have lots of kids and babies.

So, so each of the animals represents a, mythological Q quality as well. So all the kids learn and we learn it, you know, just like you’re a Sagittarius. And I’m Libra and we learn what the personality types and the what, where the stars were. When we were born. So Chinese learn this, these as well, but there’s, we’re going through a cycle of 60.

But it really comes back to, , and most Chinese people don’t know this today, in the same way as we’ve forgotten our, I dunno, pre-Christian mm-hmm. Roots. Most Chinese people just, you know, they know about tigers and lions and dragons and stuff, but we’ve Chinese, modern Chinese people have moved away from a deep symbolic and deep relationship with, with the cycles of the lunar [00:20:00] cycle, particularly, uh, which is the most probably powerful.

There was no sun. Life on earth wouldn’t exist at all. So that cycle, this is what, this is all we’re referring to, the dance of yin and yang, over time. And, it’s really beautiful. I think, you know, as a yin teacher, , and a practitioner, yin yoga makes us aware , of the dance, of quiet and noise of dynamism and rest of life and death of night and day.

Mm-hmm. And, this celestial cycle that the Chinese New Year, , represents is simply that very simple yin and yang idea taken. It’s, it is a very simple idea, but taken. So everything in your life, from cradle to death, from youth to old age, [00:21:00] from morning to night, from January to December, we can really revel , and dance in a and appreciate, things like, in summer, , our skin is very different.

We feel , the sun’s raised compared to now we’re sitting this in the middle of January and we’re freezing cold. , The 60 year cycle really draws us, zooms us out from the daily, and we lose this so much with our electric lights and, , heaters and all this stuff. So it’s really this, , this cycle , of the, of the Chinese, just like so many old cultures, brings us back to being aware of and then hopefully dancing with, , how the universe, how the cycles, of the universe.

So from what I understand, actually, almost all cultures until, the Gregorian calendar was introduced were lunar calendars. And so sometimes I think sometimes people find that confusing. Like, why is Chinese New Year [00:22:00] on a different day than , what we in the Western cultures say is New Year’s? And I would say, that I actually think the lunar, I wish I could follow the lunar calendar, but I live in a Gregorian world.

So there goes that idea, , makes more sense to me for that new year, which this year, what day is it again? The new year Chinese, uh, 17th of February 17th, right? Yeah. Yeah. That starts to make more sense to me because if you’re following the wisdom of nature and the animals and the planet and the environment that you’re in, this is why I’ve done, and I’ve done every winter I do an episode on.

People should rest and throw out their New Year’s resolutions and quit thinking about the new year being in January. And , this is the time to be journaling and dreaming and resting and, , not the time to be like, you know, identifying all the things they want to change about their life.

And how that kind of, , energy of February in some parts of the world, most parts of Canada is still very much winter. Hmm. Here where I [00:23:00] live now, February is actually where the flowers start. Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. We’re very lucky here. In this little rainforest climate Canada’s Hawaii that I live in.

So it’s small. It’s snow drops and daffodils and then crocuses will start. And so it really does feel here like in February that, that’s like , the foreshadowing of spring. You know, it’s not quite spring, but it’s like the, Hey, this is what’s coming. So it seems to make so much more sense to me.

Then either the Gregorian calendar, which I haven’t done a ton of research on, but I’ve been, I’ve been paying a little more attention to it here and there. And, uh, from what I have read, and again, don’t quote me on any of this ’cause not an expert, it’s, , it was created by the Romans, I believe, and it has a lot to do with like, the tax year, um, more so than it does like actually paying attention , to nature.

And I always think if we want to know what might be the wise choice, we should just pause and be quiet and look around for a while. What is the forest [00:24:00] doing? What is the animals doing? You know, what’s happening in nature? Maybe that’s what I should be doing. Hmm. I’ve been had the honor of teaching a lot Yin in, in Italy.

Of course they have the pope there and , but Italy’s also, home to a lot of, pre-Christian, , of course the Romans, I think it was. I’m gonna remember Constantine. So constant Constantinople who converted to Christian Christianity. But before that, there are lots of temples and converted, churches.

So Chris, Chris Mass was the old, um, pre-Christian, , dark festival. Mm-hmm. And here in Scotland, we’ve just, I just gone out on the street and we’ve all burned torches in a Viking ship and, , went out with my family and did this, and so Chinese New Year, it was great. Yeah. So Chinese New Year is coming at one of the dark.

It’s one of, it’s if if you have the yin yang symbol in your head, , it’s , the, that little tale , of yin just [00:25:00] before it starts to become mm-hmm. Yang. So, uh, we’ve just gone through, in the northern hemisphere here, the, you know, the winter solstice, the darkest night. That’s my birthday.

Oh, really? Mm-hmm. That, that explains a lot, Nick. Yeah. So you’re, you’re emanation of the darkest moment in, uh, in the year, so, yeah. Which I used to hate when I lived in Alberta because I hate winter so much. Like cold snow, all of that really like, oh, hate it. , And, so when I lived in Alberta, I was used to like, when people say, oh, you’re born in the solstice, sound nice, and I’d like roll my eyes.

But now that I live here, where I live in a very temperate climate,, although we have, we very rarely get snow here, but there has been at least twice since I’ve moved here, where it has happened on my birthday, ironically., Now I’m much more okay with it and, and think it’s kind of cool actually. , As I’ve gotten older, I’m also, as I’ve gotten, you were speaking of middle age earlier, , we’re the same age.

, I used to be in my youth, a real sun bunny, like I loved Oh yeah. To be outside in the [00:26:00] summer all the time. I would just like a cat, I would curl up in a sunny spot with a book, and when the spot would move, I would move. And then when I started, I now know it was perimenopause.

I didn’t know it at the time, but, all of a sudden I went out one summer day with my water bottle in my book to go find a spot by the river and was like, oh my God, I cannot take this heat. Like, what the heck is happening? And, , that’s when I started becoming far more attracted to actually. Now, if I were to say my favorite seasons would be spring first and then autumn actually, those kind of more moderate climates, and this is the Chinese medicine, worldview is this rhythm of the dance between yin and yang, between night and day, between hot and cold, um, masculine.

Uh, symbolism and feminine feminate symbolism. , Not only goes on, so, you know, you were born on the darkest day of the year, and then there’s the opposite is the summer equinox, but these cycles also go on inside of us as well. [00:27:00] But riding these cycles of life, and that’s what this, this Chinese near is the beginning of a new cycle. It’s not just annual, but there are, in Chinese medicine, we talk about 12 year cycles.

So, and I think this is, these kind of happen if I’m coming up 54 in a year. We can ride these cycles like a surfer rides wave or like a. , Like a drunk man rides a, , in the back of a taxi. You can just bubble around or you can fight, or you can fight it.

And, the more I dive into, the, in modern yin is not, you’ve had a great episode on where does Yin come from? And it’s not Chinese medicine and all this, all these great ideas, but there is a big Chinese element in Yin, which has come from, , I started to call it actually yin gong and yang gong, like, you know, you, you must have yin and yang po you would call it.

Mm-hmm. But you gotta move your, this is another example. There are exact [00:28:00] opposites. There’s dark and light, there’s movement. There’s. There’s times when we should sleep. There’s times when we should, uh, we should be active. And I find, , the people who get sick, people who are unhappy in life, tend to ignore these completely.

And so it’s just another thing we don’t, , if you’re listening to this and you’re not Chinese and you don’t want to be, what’s the word,, culturally appropriated upon, just look back in your own culture. Yeah. They’re, these ideas are in there for all of us. Yeah. And no matter where you come from in our cultures, which, you know, you’re in Scotland and from the UK and, you know, Canada’s full of immigrants from Scotland and the uk Yeah.

I have, I have some of you in me as well. Um, you know, we, we all would’ve had before, Christianity, we would’ve had these. More pagan, , traditions that would’ve, Yule, right? That’s, you know, definitely There you go. You know, honoring that, that dark and light cycles [00:29:00] and, , I really love the Chinese medicine stuff and the Chinese way of looking at things.

I find it incredibly fascinating and yet also somehow, familiar. Maybe that’s a past life thing, I’m not sure. But I remember being, even in Chinese medicine foundations like, Chinese medicine school , and talking about yin and yang and, , the, and I was just like, yes, of course this makes perfect sense.

But yes, like you said, if you’re not, you know, into Chinese culture, although I’m sure most people will find this fascinating, just look back at your own heritage and you’ll see. Absolutely. Yeah. When I bring this up in Italy, , so they have their, we have Shakespeare in UK who’s our kind of bard of choice.

They have Dante Mm uh, Dante’s Inferno. And, , he apparently thought that he got to the perfect apex of life at 35. And so he splits his life into four. So, uh, before 35, he has two sections, and then there’s two sections or chunks of, uh, life after 35, the Indians [00:30:00] break their time. On this planet down into, down into four.

We have four seasons. Mm-hmm. , And, um, we tend to, in Chinese medicine, going back to Chinese medicine, we have this kind of, we’re all born with this kind of Q Bank account. . So we kind of lose e energy as we go through, but we don’t have to, we don’t have to go, oh, it’s, it’s dark. Or, I’m old, so now I’m, doomed to my chief fate or the time of year fate, if you like. One thing I like about Yin.

And I’m sure you deal with this all the time too, is that we can, we are born with Qi, but there’s the energy of the world around us as well. And so that’s what this Chinese idea, the humans are between the 10 celestial pillars and the 12 stems , of the earth. And we can draw on both of these. We have chi within us, which we get from the planet, but we also have the q of the cosmos [00:31:00] around us.

And we can draw this in. I’m sure you know this in your favorite yin pose. What’s your favorite yin pose? Mm, currently? Hmm. It’s one that a lot of, not a lot people know ’cause I kind have. Oh, really? Yeah. ’cause I, I kind of, um, branch away from just the Paul Grille stuff. Uh, yeah. I would, it’s called heart bed where you’re like, it’s called what?

Heart bed. Heart bed. Heart bed. So you literally sit in front of a bolster, it’s going, uh, vertically and then you lay your spine along the bolster, sort of like. It has the same effect as sphinx. Oh, okay. In the lower back, except you can then open up your arms and get all that glorious opening through the chest, through the torso, through the ribs.

And a lot of times people will confuse that with restorative and you can do heart bed in a restorative way, but I’m not talking about that. This is just bolster you sometimes a blanket. So you get a back bend and you get a bit of like a chest opener. Yes. , And you get all of the muscles and [00:32:00] fascia of your back body being reformed around this sort of unfamiliar shape as well.

So I call it the great meridian multitasker, especially, especially if you put the soles of your feet together in butterfly and let your knees fall out in that position. Then you’re getting every meridian of your body all in one. You had me till that bit. ’cause I, I’m the worst. I am the You can use blocks.

Yeah, I could do, yeah. But why do you like it so much? So what, what happens when you come out of that? I like that one so much because it is a multitasker. So because I’m addressing my ribs lifting away from my pelvis, my ribs spreading the heart center, opening the chest, opening the shoulders, even if I bring my arms overhead.

, And getting that little lumbar love, , as well. . Whereas I find as much as I like Sphinx pose and it gives me a similar thing in the low back, I don’t get all those extra bells and whistles nice. Through the front body, and then also the muscles , in my back, in my fascia, in my back body.

And how does it make you feel? So you come out of [00:33:00] this one, give me, can you describe in a word or sentence how you feel coming out of that? Per, there you go.

Yeah, I think so. So you go in, kind of like, you go in like kind of, uh mm-hmm. The beginning. And then you come out and you’ve, you’ve, , I think you, you certainly moved your own q but I think you brought in and boosted yourself with the energy of the space around you as well.

Mm-hmm. And, and that’s it. So you can dance with these, , you have your q. There’s the q of the year, there’s the q of your nation, there’s the Q of the season or the environment that you’re in, but there’s also a bigger chi that you can call on. And uh, that’s, that’s these ideas. That’s Chinese medicine, that’s in yoga.

That’s the human experience. We are your Canadian. So you have the, the chi of, uh, British Columbia, and right now in Scotland, so we have Scottish Chi, which is, which is a little bit different flavor. Um, but we’re both in, we’re both [00:34:00] in the, in the dark. But there, I’m sure , there are people here who we’re also both in the rain.

We’re both Well, yeah. Yeah. We got, yeah, we can compete on that one. Yes, you, you’ll win. Sure. You know, you’ll win. But we have plenty. Yes, damnit. But you know, there are people who are dragged down by the circle, like, you know, they. Winter sucks for them. Everything is nasty. But as you go into your, into your favorite pose, what was it called?

What did you call again? Heart bed in the, in the states. Sometimes they call it heart bench. I’ve heard it called. Okay, I like your one. Mm-hmm. You go into your heart bed and you come out probably a little bit happy and Oh yeah. Bit extra juice. It’s a very, it’s a very contented pose for me, for sure.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just to come back at you. So, the surprise that I’ve never, so I don’t, I didn’t know that one.

I’m now just gonna, as soon as we finish this, go and try it. I was gonna say, I probably have all kinds of tricks up my sleeve that you don’t know, Dole. Well that’s, that’s why you’re [00:35:00] the queen. Uh, I do, but I do one which I call one of my students. , I never did this with Paul Lever. My student named it Brara Pose.

You probably do it. So instead of the bolster along the the mat. Yeah. I put it 90 degrees and you lay it over it the other way. Yeah. I call it starfish. You call that Starfish. My student, my German student called the bras Strapp. ’cause she asked me and I said I’ve dunno. And so she said, okay, let’s call it brass strap.

Yeah. And I said, the reason I call Starfish is ’cause if you look at it from above, if you ever seen a starfish on the beach, they’re little like centers poof up. ,

yes. So back to this Chinese, would we call it astrology? Certainly can. It’s the, yeah, it’s a cosmological cycle. It’s an astrological cycle. Yeah. So if we were just in the year of the snake, so the current year as the time of this recording to timestamp it, we’re still not quite in Chinese New Year.

, But [00:36:00] what is the deal with the snake? Because of course I read stuff on Instagram, but I’m not really sure that those people know what the heck they’re talking about.

What do you mean what, what is the deal with the snake? What do you mean? So I read stuff about like how like year of the Snake is a year of like , shedding and letting go. Ah, I see. And it can be a bit rough, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, it’s like getting, getting rid of stuff and a transition kind of period and then year of the horse and especially fire horse is supposed to be quite different.

So anything, any nuggets you have on like, where have we just been and where are we going now with this? Oh, you want me to, okay, keep going. I was gonna say, I don’t mean you to actually do like an astrology reading, but just like the symbolism of like the snake versus the horse and the fire, I have to say as a.

Just to mix my astrology a little bit. As a Sagittarius, which is a fire sign and half horse, I’m pretty stoked [00:37:00] about this fire horse business. Oh, okay. I see where you’re going with this. , So you have , the 10 heavenly stems. So it’s like, you know, the, um, the tree of life kind of upside down tree.

Mm-hmm. Which comes from heaven. So this is the same idea. It’s just the Chinese. So these, there’s these meridians or channels of energy coming down to the earth, and there are 10 of them we could go into. We could do an offshoot of, , why there are 10. Everybody in yin yoga, I think knows about the five elements.

I call ’em the five phases or the five patterns. So there are, there’s a yin and a yang of each one. Mm-hmm. There’s a, there’s, so there’s five elements, five phases, wood, fire, earth, metal, and water. So each of the 10 stems has. An element to them. So you can have, for example, you can have a, so each of the 10 stems have then got mixed with the 12 animals.

And again, it’s gets a bit messy, but, so there’s each of the animals, which is one of the [00:38:00] stems, has a wood fire, earth, metal, and water one. So, so I’m a water snake. You are a water snake that be, have a different quality. A person who’s a water snake is different to somebody who is a wood snake who’s gonna be born 12 years after to them who’s gonna be different to a fire snake, to another snake, to a metal snake.

So we’re coming up and you and I are both water wraps are not water rats. Yes. We just found this out folks, that we have the same birth year we did. Mm-hmm. So, so it’s the 60 years cycle each of the animals has. So this is kind of getting a little bit, . I guess more, I’m not gonna say dumbing it down, but it’s getting a bit more kind of to please the masses kind of stuff.

Yes, exactly. But so each of the animals has a character. So the, so the snake is kind of, the snakes wake up late because they, they’ve been cold all night. So snakes tend to be wake late wakers. They, , as you say, they, we, snakes, , cast [00:39:00] off their skins, but they’re also a little bit, , cunning, and secret.

So there’s, , each of the characters, each of the years has a, a quality, but then you can have a water snake versus a wood snake, et cetera, et cetera. Mm-hmm. So they’re all slightly different. And, what are we coming up for? Hor. So, horses, I’m just looking at my notes here. So horses are super yang animals.

So, and it’s a fire horse. So in the 60 years is like, it’s like double yang yang. This is like Bikram. This is like Bikram in a hot class in July this next year. And let’s not go into politics and what’s happening in the world. Please, let’s not, yes, please. Let’s, let’s stay away from that. But this is when the chit hits the fan this year.

Like this is young, this is the most, one of the most young animals in the cycle, and it’s a fire horse. This is maximum fire. This is horses speed and freedom and passion and energy. And this is the fire version of this horse. [00:40:00] So this year in the sixties, I, if I’m getting it right. My nose. This is the 43rd year in the 60 year cycle.

This is kind of the maximum yang in that cycle. So people who are born in this year, you would expect to be, you know, have a DHD. Um, their favorite drink is Red Bull. And, uh, to relax, you know, they bungee jump and um, uh, you know, compared to say a wood horse is gonna be much stable, uh, water rats, you know, you think water and then rats are kind of conniving and jumping.

So water rats are a very adaptable, flexible, um, but smart and intelligent. A little bit conniving as well. We take rides on other animals to win the race, that kind of thing. Um, so each of the animals, but these come back again to, in the Chinese medicine tradition, which is called yang [00:41:00] yang nurturing life, which is essentially going with this cycle.

The cycles of nature, the cycles of the seasons, the cycle of life. And so these animals represent this year the fire horse represents in a 60 year cycle, , I don’t know, uh, if maybe we look back at the last a hundred years, we go, that was the year where most crazy shit just happened.

Um, and maybe that was the year when the, the world just seemed to go to sleep. That’s how this cycle is very much seen. And so this next year is, you know, it’s, it’s Red Bull, it’s a DHD, it’s clubbing all night long. It’s no sleeping sun’s shining. Music’s, music’s blasting. We party till we drop. That’s, that’s if, uh, I think that’s gonna be the essence of anybody who tries to divine or give, gives us astrological predictions for the year.

Oh, wow. That’s such a, it’s very different than the ones that I’d heard, but yes. That’s such a [00:42:00] culture version of like fire horse. I just find this stuff so interesting. So fire horse is coming up. Well, that’s what it’s, that’s that’s the pop, that’s the pop version. Now , the, and again, you just tell me to shut up, Nick, if this is not interesting to you or your listeners.

But then you have the, so the ing, have you heard of the, the Ing Yes. The Book of Changes. Some people call it the ing, it’s the old spelling. But the old, the, this is based on, so the world, the world has a flow. It has a power, which is called the Dao. So all Chinese philosophy is based on this yin and yang.

The dial flows between the energies of the cosmos, flow between two extremes, night and day, up and down, good and bad, left and right,, et cetera. Um, big bang and nothing. So the big bang happened where the big bang come from came from nothing in Chinese philosophy. , So the Chinese or the, the shamans who are related to [00:43:00] the, the American Indians, the aboriginals that we were talking about, all these pagan, um, cultures way back, um, they, they noticed that life just was a cycle of, of change.

And the ing. Map 64 cycles. So there’s lots of different numbers. I’ve talked about 10 and 12 and there’s the five phases we could talk about in the four seasons. The Chinese do like their numbers, don’t they? They love their numbers. Yeah. , and, and so these, the horse, the, so the fire horse that we’ve just talked about is it’s just a way of, so you can, the aging is 64 random, you could say random symbols and, um, people get into aging diog and trying to predict the future and all this kind of stuff.

And we look at, uh, the animals in the same way, but they’re really the way I liked, I found most, I used the aging a little bit and what I found, and I think [00:44:00] I was, you and I were talking about this before we started and I was congratulating you on how well this podcast is doing. Mm-hmm. And. The ing, the way I found it the most powerful is you pick a symbol and you just meditate on it.

So you pick a, I think Jungian, Jung and Carl Jung did this a lot. He, like, he, he’s got this meditation where he just digs into the earth and you go deeper and deeper and deeper into your psyche. Mm-hmm. So the ing is you pick an idea or, and we come back to what we’ve been talking about. You pick the energy of a fire horse and you just meditate on it.

And somehow that merges with your being, with your body, with your psyche, with your spiritual being, with your emotional being and just rubs off if you do it enough with faith, with a little bit of abandonment to outcomes like you did with the podcast. You just went mm-hmm. I like this idea. I’m gonna run with it.

And you sat on it, and here we are, you know, [00:45:00] second time around for me, and I’ve been listening to episodes and you got some amazing people. So that’s what this idea, I think of the cosmic cycle. If you’re having a hard time, and so many of us are having a hard time, pick one of the animals, maybe one that you just drawn to, or pick the one that you are, find out which one you are.

If you’re, if you’re an artistic, draw it. If you’re more of a words person, write a haiku or a poem to it and just put it on your table. Put it on your desk. When you meditate, um, put it there. And the idea is that it helps you. That’s your original chi that you’ve got for this year.

Mm-hmm. Um, and you can take it as your, as your earth, as your. As your anchor for this year. That’s what really this is all about. People in China will, in, in Hong Kong will go to, they’ll go in Chinese near to Temples and they’ll get a, a Shaman Master or Dallas Master to Divine the year for them. And they’ll say, [00:46:00] this is the year to marry, or this is the year to take those exams or whatever.

Mm-hmm. Um, but I think if we come out of pop culture, , the Daoists and the philosophers and the shamans of, there was really just ways of reading the signs of, uh, of, of the cosmos around them. And I think when times are really hard, I find this really, I’ve just actually spent my time just doing this.

I drew a, an aging symbol, and then I look at it and it’s just that are 64 and I’ve talked about 60. They’re very close. There’s lots of different numbers. It doesn’t really matter, it’s just how, how many slices are in the pizza. Um, but if you stick with one and pick, pick one. Um, and, uh, trust that for a period period of time, like you’ve done, you picked the Yin Yoga podcast and you’ve ran with it, then fruit Bear comes off that tree.

Um, things happen. You make choices based off of, of that idea. [00:47:00] And that’s all this really simply is these, and you can do this again one year from now. Mm-hmm. Um, that’s really how I think the old shamans, the masters who used this before got all , the horse is this and the snake. Is that? Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. I, but I do think about though, , the symbolism of the animal, like you said, of the, of a horse. What are the qualities of a horse? And then you add fire to that and , what are the qualities of fire? And, .

It sounds like a year of a lot of kind of like forward movement, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Strong change. Change is happening. Yeah. Yeah. And um, my, my, um, my father, uh, was born his birthday. He was, he was, his birthday was on the eighth of the, in the eighth of the eighth in 1988. We were in [00:48:00] Singapore and Wow.

Yeah. And people went, it was a dragon year and everyone went absolutely crazy. Um, uh, and on the 8th of August, 1988 in Singapore, they had the most babies born on. A day ever, because everybody wanted a dragon. Baby eight is the lucky number in Chinese. Right. Um, so people this year, I, I don’t, I don’t know what’s gonna, what’s happened, but Chinese really, people who take this stuff seriously, they’ll be making big decisions based on Yeah.

Uh, fire horse energy this year. So maybe this is the time to invest or this is the time to, you know, throw yourself into a new adventure. These kinds of, yeah. Interesting. I mean, I would say, and I, I’m by no means by the way friends, uh, expert in Vedic astrology, but the Indian people from India, not North American Indians, um, they would often, very similarly, they would see an astrologer to decide, when should I open the business?

[00:49:00] When’s a good time to travel, when’s a good time to marry, when’s a good time to have children, um, and things like that. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s interesting that it’s also in Chinese culture, but it’s not, you know, it’s not like it’s unfamiliar. Elsewhere. Elsewhere as well. Well, no, and we, you’ve, and we’ve all got animals.

Like, uh, every time I go to Canada, you have the, you have your totem poles, which I love looking at. Yeah. And they all have rep representatives. The Greeks have, um, gods of fire and rain and water. Mm-hmm. These are just cosmic energies. The Indians, you know, have Syria, the God of the sun, they have the god of thunder, they’ve got gods of, uh, fire.

These are just cosmic energies and the animals are the same. These are easy to understand symbols, which we can understand the world around us. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Very interesting. Is there anything else [00:50:00] that you wanna share about the, , I’m sure this could be a 12 hour episode, but, , and we will of course just have you on whenever we wanna have these little brain tickles.

, Is there anything else you wanna share, about the lunar New Year or, where we’re coming from and going to, well, you, you touched on this, I don’t know about you. And again, it has come from my yin practice, which I’ve been now doing for sc long time.

Um, maybe it’s just ’cause I’m old too, but, um, and maybe it is because I’m in Scotland, which, which has really, you know, we have really long summer nights and we have really short,, days. , But I think anybody who’s listening to this, I, any you, any, you’re against her, , use your yin time, which is just another cycle.

It’s just a cycle between rest and unrest. Use, use a reflection of whatever cycles are in your life, if you’re coming to the end of a job cycle or relationship cycle, or a [00:51:00] time in your life where stuff has happened. , Particularly, I don’t know about you Nick, , my age. I find a lot of people in their fifties are really struggling with letting stuff go.

Like stuff with worked for you in your thirties, forties, fifties went really well. , But now that’s not working so well and it’s tough to make changes, but cycles. However, whatever culture you come from provide a one. The, the concept, the, the mythology and the the, um, symbolism of cycles, beginning and end is a part of natural part of the change of the universe.

I have found to be really. People say to me, wow, you, you seem to adapt really well. And I think Yin has done that for me because, you know, you just, you can’t engage during a five minute yin pose. You just gotta let go. And that opens the door to the cycle of taking up and [00:52:00] letting go and taking, taping up and letting go.

And so if you’re listening to this, wherever you are and whatever’s happening in your life, I invite you to reflect on stuff you can take up this year and stuff you can let go, this year. , ‘Cause the fire horse is gonna burn up the stuff anyway, , that, you’re gonna have to let it go eventually.

So it’s gonna take it from you. One of the things that I love about,, this sort of Daoist philosophy and the seasons is this sort of, that a, a. Energetic or mental, emotional sort of theme to them, ? Mm. And this is one of the things that I often, I was just telling my students last night when I was teaching that, like, if you just made a bunch of New Year’s resolutions, but you didn’t in the fall let go, where are you putting those?

I don’t know anyone who’s not busy, right? Mm-hmm. Who doesn’t have too many things to do, you know? And so if you haven’t let go of things that aren’t serving you, [00:53:00] how are you supposed to make room for new, the new things? And I think this is part of the problem, is that people do their New Year’s resolutions at the wrong time of year.

They do it in winter, right? They do it in winter when I like it. Really? Like we’re supposed to be resting. Yes. Yes. I like it. So that’s, , part of the problem. Those new seeds should be planted in spring. Yes. So that’s problem number one. Problem number two is they didn’t let go back in the fall. So they’ve got a life where they’re.

Super busy and all the stuff, and they’re overwhelmed , and we’ll be honest that unless I’m going to just say this, I’ll go out on a limb and say, unless you are a single mother of multiple children, you probably got five minutes in there somewhere in your day that you’re wasting on something, whether it’s scrolling or who knows.

Right. And so for me, I spend a lot of time in the fall looking at, okay, what’s not serving me, , mentally, emotionally, physically stuff. I go through all my stuff. I got another pile of books right there that are going to the used [00:54:00] bookstore. , And I make space so that in the winter I don’t feel that burden of overwhelm so that I can rest.

So that in the spring there is this space for these new seeds. So for example, I won’t be doing my vision board until the Chinese New Year because that’s when I’ve cleared it. I’ve already removed what’s no longer needed. Now, , do you feel like the universe around you or just like the, trees are sprouting and the, the sun’s coming out.

Do you not feel like that that feeds your Yes. Yeah. There you go. Bingo. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. , And so that to me, once I started paying attention to the wisdom of the seasons and trying, trying my best within a society that doesn’t really pay attention to those, to live that way as much as possible, it’s made a massive difference in just my level of contentment in the world.

And that’s because you got the Dao, the Taoists, , the Daoist is the [00:55:00] lazy one who lies at, on the rubber tire at the top of the waterfall, spills over the waterfall and flies down the river on the rubber tire, and did absolutely no effort at all. Mm-hmm.

Just sitting on the tire. Yeah, you have the power of the spring with you to feed your creativity. So your natural balance. Yeah. It just feels , that wisdom of the seasons , is tangible actually for me now that I’m paying attention to it. Mm-hmm. And it’s only been, you know, since I started studying Chinese medicine that I ever did this.

But January has just never felt like the wise time to be suddenly, trying to create all these new habits that A, we haven’t made space for, and b, we haven’t maybe spent the wisdom of winter reflecting on what do I actually want? Is this my voice? Is this. Lose 10 pounds, blah, blah, blah. The stuff that’s, that is fed to us.

Is that my own wisdom from my own inner voice? There you go. That is telling me this is what I want in my [00:56:00] new year. And so that’s what I try to do now. I let go in the fall, I go through lists of all my things, whether it’s mentally, emotionally, physically, work-wise, all the things that, like what’s not serving, what can go.

And then so that in the winter I have that space, really ask myself those questions about, what do I want, what would make sense for me so that in the spring I can then plant those seeds. , So yeah, that’s how I’ve started living life. , It’s interesting how, how much of a difference it’s made.

It is easier, right? Yeah. Yeah. It feels natural actually. , Which it should because it’s based on nature, but yeah, it feels natural. And , you have more energy. Yeah. And when , I don’t, like in the winter, I don’t have as much energy because of course I don’t because it’s dark at fricking four 30.

Yeah, , of course. I don’t. Yeah. So, but now, instead of trying to just live winter, like I would spring or [00:57:00] summer and just like keep on keeping on, I just rest more, I sleep more. I just allow myself to, you know. Yeah. Like a catch. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I don’t beat myself up anymore in the winter for me not feeling like I do in the summer.

Hmm. Yeah. No, no.. And then that’s when I see people get sick because they haven’t rested and they haven’t created any space for all that stuff.

And, so the wisdom of these seasons is important.

Let’s start to round it out. If there’s anything else you really wanna talk about as far as , this, the stuff that, that we can’t talk about in brief, because it could be forever. No. Suffice to say , keep on with the, uh, the seasonal stuff.

I, I just had a, , so I’m in Scotland here, so I just had a, we have a. , I have some Italian friends and I gave them some haggis. Do you know haggis, Nick? I’ve heard of it. I’ve never [00:58:00] tried it. Yeah, so haggis is, national dish here in Scotland. It’s traditionally made from sheep’s stomach and it’s got most of the sheep inside anyway, vegetarians, there is a vegetarian version too.

But it’s got pepper and chili and stuff in it, we actually just had it, , this evening and I am hot. This is this one of the coldest days of the year and,, our food is tied up with this stuff as well with what we eat.

So I, we, me and my wife were shivering and she just came up with the idea, Hey, let’s have haggis, which is , really hot, young food. And we’re down to like our t-shirt, normal short seat and that stuff here in the coldest day of the year. , I think people, we have lights on and we have heating on all year round, so we , we just forget dulls the dulls, the, the peaks and troughs.

But if you lean into those, you’ll get Nick’s power that she was just talking about there. And, , then look what happens. What is the coldest day you’re asking me, you asked, you’re asking me how cold it is and it’s only minus Yes.

In Celsius. So Americans go ahead and get your app out [00:59:00] minus four. So that’s nothing compared to Ca Canada you’re in. Yes. And now I’m gonna make all the other Canadians and even Americans who live in cold states angry when I say that we are currently at plus seven. Whoa. Really? Yeah. Now I don’t want to, I’m gonna knock on wood as I say this in case that actually works.

We’ve had a very mild winter so far, which I’m hoping. It just continues. I’m hoping that doesn’t mean that like mid-January, early February, we’re gonna suddenly get it. But my partner and I, because we’re from areas of Canada where they get real cold, like mm-hmm. Real actual winter, you know, like minus 40 plus wind chill and you know, all the things.

For me, that feels very moderate, you know? That’s super nice. Yeah. I like, I like a little rain and fog and mist. It’s my favorite. That is your Scottish side talking. Must be. It’s my favorite.

Yeah. Yeah. , Let’s wrap this up. You and I of course can chat and do our, , official goodbyes once I stop [01:00:00] recording. But, before we do, I would love for you to just take a moment to share where everybody can find you and what you have coming up as far as trainings go. , So you mentioned your Qigong training, which I’m gonna attend at some point very soon.

I’m super excited about that. What else you got going on? I actually, , nothing much soon, but this year I do an annual retreat in Portugal, which is super nice. And, , I run a 500 yin yang training based off the functional approach, but my flavor of it is all around, . Digging deep into the, ancestry of the yin is an old practice.

And, there’s a lot of fun stuff happens when you breathe new life into old ideas. And is that online or in person or combo? I do stuff on, yeah. All of my programs pretty much run online, so I run a new module every quarter. So you can, you won’t, no one be able to spell my name, but it’s dougle mitcham.com.

But you’ll be linked in the show notes. They’ll be able to find you. Yeah. , Come and find me and, so this year [01:01:00] I’m running stuff on Yang Chung, which is the Portugal retreat in end of April, is all about this idea of moving , and deeply feeling the rhythms of life. . But I’m doing some myofascial release stuff in Italy and online at the same time.

And then in the fall, my, , annual yin 200 hour in training takes place, which is online. Yeah, come and find me and, , come and be a quiet rebel in this busy world somewhere. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time and your wisdom and your storytelling. Thank you. And your pop culture references, which of course do help these things land sometimes.

And, , all I have to say about your, of the horses. Giddy up. Let’s go. I’m ready. It’s exactly it. Thank I feel like it’s exactly the energy I need right now. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for your gracious hosting your, it’s a nice place in this corner of the inter net thing that we [01:02:00] have going on to nerd out together.

Mm. All right. My friends. Until we talk again. Bye for now.

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May you be well, may you be content. May you be at peace. May you be free.