Humility & Integrity: Are You Ready To Train Teachers – Grace Tempany

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Hello and welcome

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Nyk Danu Yoga: to a Yin Yoga podcast if you are new around here, welcome, welcome! If you are a return listener. Welcome back, my friends, we do have a guest episode today, a return guest. The lovely Grace Tempany is coming to hang out with us, and we are going to talk about yin Yoga teacher trainings. We’ll get to that in. And Grace’s Bio in just a moment. But before we do.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I wanted to read a little bit of podcast love that I recently received.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Now, I’m hoping that I’m saying his name right? I did ask him how to pronounce it.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But it’s in type text, not audio and he’s Scottish, so

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I certainly will not be able to say this with a enchanting Scottish accent. But I believe it’s pronounced

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Morag.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So this is some feedback that I received from Morag.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I wanted to say, thank you for your fabulous. Podcast

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I was recently qualified 58 year old man. Yin Yoga, teacher, you have provided me with so much wisdom, and I share your knowledge.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and you share your knowledge.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, so here is what Morag had to say about the podcast.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Hello, Nick, I wanted to say, thank you for your fabulous podcast. As a recently qualified 58, year old, Yin Yoga, teacher, you have provided me with so much wisdom, and you share your knowledge so generously and professionally.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: This Friday in my Yin class I cautiously introduced your Meta loving kindness, thoughts well aware that I’ve barely touched the surface of knowledge in this area.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I followed your guidance from the podcast and I could feel the energy shift in the room. It just worked.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and afterward a few people came up and told me how much they enjoyed the class, and how relaxed, they felt.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Thank you for giving me the confidence to teach this in class and and every subject in your podcast is a question in my head. Thank you.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Morag Swanson, from Edinburgh. Thank you, Mauric.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: All right, my friends, let’s get into today’s guest.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So today I have a return guest, the ever so lovely and fast becoming

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Nyk Danu Yoga: a good colleague and friend Grace Temppany. So I’m going to quickly read her bio

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Nyk Danu Yoga: on her website. Grace Tempany didn’t intentionally set out in life to be a reformer. But it turns out that when you combine vision and conviction with a desire to get straight to the heart of the matter, the result a trail blazing pioneer, albeit a reluctant one. Much of the time I can relate.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: After an initial career in education, French and music, Grace set off in 2013 to train as a Yoga teacher in Los Angeles. There followed a three-year stint in the Southern hemisphere, which she taught full-time Bikram Yoga in studios in Australia, New Zealand and South Asia.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: In Auckland, in 2014, Grace experienced her 1st Yin class.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and for the second time in her life encountered a practice she knew she would practice and teach forever.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: On her return to Dublin in 2016, Grace knew there was something very different about the way she was teaching Yen.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: For a long time she put that down to a lack of training and set about remedying that by creating her own, and it took much longer time for her to realize that there was something fundamentally different in the way she was sharing the practice with people.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Only more recently did the penny drop behind that yin with grace

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Nyk Danu Yoga: was the Grace Tempany method, a mythology, a methodology, my apologies, that has been refined and distilled over the years whose efficacy woo words today continue to surprise her.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: They say the unconscious always surprises, and maybe that’s exactly what Yin and its capacity to reveal and unveil has shown

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Nyk Danu Yoga: never one to rest on her loyals for too long. Grace embarked on a psychotherapy training in 2022, rerouting into psychoanalysis in 2024 alongside her career and

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Nyk Danu Yoga: education and teacher training.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Grace is a proponent of talk therapy as a client and a therapist in training

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Nyk Danu Yoga: a reformer. Here, too, her intuition always guides her to find solutions around the fringes, creating an intersection

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Nyk Danu Yoga: points between worlds where she has found a particular talents to put to use for the collective.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Grace’s married expertise with experience both vast, and trusts that her wisdom, the wisdom that emerges when both feelings and thinking align bridging the gap between talk, therapy and body. Orientated treatments are where her latest endeavors are taking her

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Nyk Danu Yoga: now. Grace has been on the show before.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: let’s just see if I can find which episode the episode is called how to hold Brave space.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m just gonna see if I can find what season it is in, my friends, though. Did you know that in the

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Nyk Danu Yoga: in this episode, notes, there’s a link that’ll take you to a Google doc that will show you every single podcast episode. And they’re all linked there. So if I ever do mention one or 10 sometimes talking, and I realize I’ve mentioned like 10 different episodes, please feel free to just click on that link and go peruse through that document

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Nyk Danu Yoga: especially for those of you who like to binge episodes. This might be a good way to do it.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I believe it was. Season one. Episode 11. How to hold brave space with Grace Tempe. So we have chatted before, and the next time that you hear from me I will be with grace.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Hi, grace, welcome back to a yin Yoga. Podcast. I feel like very few people I can say are like a a friend of the show. We could say, because you’ve been here before, so welcome back.

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Grace Tempany: Thanks, Nick honored to be given that title today. Yeah. Excited to see what’s to come.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, so this episode came about. I mean, of course, I always meant to have you on.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: probably repeatedly, at some point. Just because we’ve always had such good chats. But you and I were dming in the Insta, and we’re we were.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: We were chatting a little, ranting a little, a little frustrated about something. And I remember saying to you.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: should we perhaps talk about this on the podcast instead of in the Dms and so here we are.

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Grace Tempany: Here we are!

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Here we are. So the topic that we’re going to talk about today.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: is, when are you ready

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Nyk Danu Yoga: to start training teachers in Yemen.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because both you and I have had some

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Nyk Danu Yoga: interesting experiences with people starting to train teachers where we’re like. Wait, wait what

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and so I thought this would be a really good one to

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Nyk Danu Yoga: to break that down. When are we ready to start training teachers?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So maybe we’ll start with if you don’t mind.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I will ask you that question, and then I’ll answer the question of When did you know

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you were ready to start training teachers?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: When did it hit you?

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Grace Tempany: Well, I’ll tell you. It’s funny, as you were actually saying that you know, as you were saying, when are you ready to train teachers, and in my mind I’m going, and if.

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Grace Tempany: Or if you are someone who who should ever I.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Grace Tempany: Not to. I mean, I know it’s.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That. Let’s break that down first.st Yeah.

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Grace Tempany: Break that down first, st because this notion, I think. And this is a really good point to begin on. Actually, what is the natural progression of a yin Yoga teacher. And 1st of all there is the process of encountering Yoga of some kind, and then encountering Yin and then deciding you know what I want to. I want to train. I want to become a yin Yoga teacher, and

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Grace Tempany: it

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Grace Tempany: doesn’t make sense to me that of all of those people who train to be in Yoga teachers that there should be so many of them who naturally go on then to to run trainings. It’s just much too high a percentage of people, and who go from the teaching in.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The train.

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Grace Tempany: And so that that section, I think, needs to be looked at a little bit as well. And because for some it’s just that it’s too early. It’s like you say, it’s too hasty like, you know, it’s happening far too early on the trajectory, and then I think there are. There are probably as many others for whom the decision should never really be made at all, and is made for maybe all the wrong reasons.

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Grace Tempany: Well, but to go back to your question. And for me, how did I know? I suppose I

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Grace Tempany: I knew because of, I guess, a pathway that took me from teaching into Yoga first.st So I mean, I guess

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Grace Tempany: I guess I’m an unusual enough case in that. I was a classroom teacher, and and I was a trainer of newly qualified teachers in a different setting. Before I came to Yoga.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Already that skill set and that gift. Yeah.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, yeah, it was, or the experience. And I don’t want to put it down to a gift like I mean, I have innate talents, for sure, but it was mainly just that I had. I had a lot of experience, and in in that setting, you know. So when I, when I trained. My 1st training in Yin was 2015, and I was already teaching Yoga for a couple of years at that time, and when I 1st trained. I

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Grace Tempany: I did like 100 h first, st and then I trained with another teacher and then another teacher, and then I went back, and I did a second 100 h with my original teacher. And and so it was kind of it was 3 years 3 and a half years into my, let’s say, Yin training journey before I kind of started tentatively with a 3 day training a 30 h training.

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Grace Tempany: I am going to say that I

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Grace Tempany: always felt that I had something to offer in the teacher training sphere, but that that wasn’t. It was there prior, you know, it was definitely there to to me doing a yin training. But the real clincher was, and I recall because I when I encountered Yen. I was living in New Zealand. I was teaching over there, and so when I returned back to Ireland in 2016,

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Grace Tempany: and I went to try a couple of Yin classes here, and

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Grace Tempany: that was when I knew I would. I would run teacher training because.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh!

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Grace Tempany: What in sweet Jesus is this? Because it’s not yin as I was taught it, so I don’t know what is. Who trained the.

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Grace Tempany: That was my question. I’m like, where did these teachers learn? Because we’ve learned something so vastly different.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Right.

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Grace Tempany: I have to reconcile that. And then I realized afterwards, because I was very naive at the beginning, and I just thought, Well, how could you possibly teach something you’re not trained in? What I didn’t realize is that these people were indeed teaching something they weren’t trained in, and that was their element to it. So there you go, long winded answer, but I hope that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: No, I I’m gonna tease out a couple of elements, too. But I just realized that I forgot to do the adult language warning in the intro. So if you’re listening.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: dear podcast lovers, these are adult conversations with adult subject matter and possibly adult language. Nick, as the soul of a mermaid in the mouth of a sailor. I won’t speak for Grace, but swearing could happen.

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Grace Tempany: Braces, irony.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So, yeah, so grab some headphones if you have little ones around. Okay?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So the interesting thing about what you just said to me is that

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you already had this teaching background.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so then you were. You were literally just putting it into new subject matter.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and I had a similar experience, not with school teachers, but I much to my reluctance, when I was a hairstylist, ended up becoming. I mean, I wasn’t reluctant once it happened just beforehand.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: People might laugh when they hear this, but I don’t actually like to be the center of attention. And so, being an educator, being on stage and doing like hair shows and platform like never on my radar. I was like the quiet back of the class kid, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The rebellious back of the class kid. So

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Nyk Danu Yoga: when I ended up having a career which how that happened is a story for some other time. But I ended up getting thrown on stage.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: A mentor of mine saw something in me I did not see in myself.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and she said, I want you to. I was supposed to just be volunteering to help out backstage and do colors and wash people’s stuff and whatever. And she said, I want you to get out on the stage, and I was like hell to the no, I’m not going out there. And she said, Well, we don’t want the stage empty. So you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Come on, you’re you’re already doing this model back here like, why can’t you just go do it on stage? And I was like

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Nyk Danu Yoga: took some convincing. But finally I said, Okay, fine. I will go out and do the hair on the stage. But I’m not talking into a microphone. So you have to come out and say what I’m doing and why.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And within 2 sentences I had grabbed that microphone from her. I was like, that’s not what I’m doing. So she and she knew she. She told me years later she she knew all of that would happen because she saw something in me

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Nyk Danu Yoga: that I did not see in myself. So learning to teach and also present.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: was something I had years of experience in before I even became a Yoga teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So you know, I remember one example very clearly

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Nyk Danu Yoga: of just and and I had a mentor who had a degree in adult learning styles.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So if I ever came up with anything where I was like, how could I be getting this across more effectively, or this is tripping me up. You know, she was always there for questions, and I remember really clearly the very 1st time that I realized that teaching is something I should probably do forever. And it was a beginner, hair, color theory class.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: where I could see, as I was watching the faces of the students, that there was one person in the group. It was not.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: She wasn’t getting it like it just was like she wasn’t saying it

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because she was too shy to say I’m confused. I’m lost. Wise it does. How are you all getting this? I don’t understand, you know. But she wasn’t getting it.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I don’t know what sparked it. But I just it just knew I was like, she’s a visual learner.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: She’s not getting it because I’m just talking with a flip chart. She needs to like see it in a tangible way. Or was it? She’s kinesthetic learner. I think it.

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Grace Tempany: That extra.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It was kinesthetic. So I was like, All right, everybody. Let’s grab some play-doh. And so I grabbed some play-doh, and we all took the different colors, and then mixed them together with our hands, and then looked at what we created. And all of a sudden you could see the light bulbs going off in her eyes like she was like, Oh, I get it! And then afterwards she said to me, I hope you teach forever. You’re a really good teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So that’s what started it. But then, when I,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, decided to retire hair as my livelihood.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: then I became very conscious that I wanted to teach Yoga

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because I knew I was already a teacher.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Excuse me, and I was spoiled by having always had a career I loved.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so, when I was at that point in hair where I was like. I can’t keep doing this. My body is quitting on me.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I need a plan, B. And I don’t think that I can, Barista and bartend and serve forever in life. So what is my plan? B. And what I was just sat down with a notebook and was like, What do I love to do well, I love coffee. I love reading books. No one’s going to pay me to drink coffee and read books. Okay, scratch that off. And then it was just, I love Yoga, and I love teaching. It was like right there in paper as I was brainstorming. And I was like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, but that was just to become a yoga teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It wasn’t to train teachers

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So how I knew I was ready, I guess to train teachers is sort of twofold.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I actually just was so. It was right at the time where I was going back and forth to visit Paul Grilley.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and I think I was at about 300 h at the time

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Nyk Danu Yoga: with Paul, and so I already had, you know, a 500 in my previous yoga.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I hate even talking in this Yoga Alliance speak, but I know it’s the only language that most Yoga teachers understand with these hundreds of hours. But so you know, I had 500 already, and then I was had just finished my 300 with Paul, and was continuing to to go back and forth in the summers as soon as I could afford to. And

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I had somebody come up and ask me to train them.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I had a colleague or associate. Some say you know do you offer yin trainings? And I said, No, no, I don’t, she said, because I really want to branch into teaching yin. But I can’t go to California to study with Paul, you know, small children and such but I and I. But I really want to make sure that I’m that I’m learning from somebody who, you know, has got a lot of experience and training in this.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so I created my 1st apprenticeship.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and I, and actually will say, I offer mentorship now with teachers. Most of them have taken my training already. And then we can. We can continue on that, you know. But I haven’t done a lot of apprenticeship recently. But before I had a program which I’ll talk about a little bit about how that ended up happening.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and that was most of it, you know. They’d already, you know, they practiced a lot of yen they had. They actually were studying Chinese medicine, so they didn’t need my help there at all. But what they really needed was just like the role of the teacher and sitting in the seat of the teacher. And

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And now I think in, if you want to be an International Association of Yoga Therapist approved program, all your faculty does have to be. But I think at the time you could have people that were qualified in other areas. And they, I guess, had been asking her because she kept saying she was going to get her yoga therapy, cert, because at the time you could. Still, I think when she started you could still grandfather in, and she kept saying she was going to, but then didn’t and didn’t and didn’t, and what I didn’t know until later.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I taught my 1st module with them, and I got an email from them afterwards going, oh, my God, Nick, like the feedback that we just got from your training. And I was like what? And they’re like glowing like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So you know, I think the the I have a couple of participants that took her program. And we’re like, well, it’s really great that I know. Like, you know, this Chinese astrology. It’s fun information. But like it’s not helping me teach my class.

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Grace Tempany: And it’s the scene that I would be very aware of, for just you know, it’s being in it for for so long. And but there’s the

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Grace Tempany: And the second thing that I see a lot of is, and this

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Grace Tempany: to running the training the following year. And when I say being this, I mean being, you know, being the student of that particular training, and I know in many cases that the person per people running those trainings aren’t actually trained in themselves. So you have this kind of really crazy knock on effect where you have.

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Grace Tempany: Or you have trainings run by people not trained in Yin training. People who then, 12 months later, are running the same.

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Grace Tempany: I actually feel like I need to have like a you know, inverted com. I have to like commas here all the time.

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Grace Tempany: Quotes for the word training, because it is absolutely the furthest thing from it, because, you know. And then, in the midst of all that you have.

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Grace Tempany: You know I had a very interesting discovery call, just, you know, of, some weeks back with the student who, who, I’d say, had just kind of found me online or looked up yin trainings in Dublin. And she had, you know, quite naively and innocently. Just kind of, you know, asked the question. She’s like, Oh, I’m looking at this 50 h yin training. And it’s in this studio, you know, in Dublin.

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Grace Tempany: And she said, and yours is 100 h, and I’m just like, why would I do 100 h when I could do 50? So I was like, Where do.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I think the opposite. Why would you do 50, when you could do a hundred.

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Grace Tempany: Really the fact that she was actually contemplating going to do a 50 h training with somebody who wasn’t trained in Yin, and I kind of had to watch what I was saying, not name any names, speak around the topic.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, that’s the hard part.

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Grace Tempany: Explained to this girl that the choice was not between a 50 h yin training and a 100 h yin training. It was between going to somebody who knows what they’re doing and somebody who doesn’t.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And this is where I think the hard part for us as Yoga educators and teachers

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Nyk Danu Yoga: state these things without sounding like we’re just trying to prop up our program. Do you know what I mean? It’s so hard as an educator to find the line between

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, and I often just say to people like whether you take mine or somebody else’s like. If you need recommendations other than me, please let me know. I can hook you up with some, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know it’s like, how do we feel confident and comfortable, calling out the bullshit

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Nyk Danu Yoga: without feeling that, like, you know, people are going to think we’re just saying that because we want to fill our training, because I’m not saying that because I want to fill my trainings because my trainings feel just fine.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But it. It frustrates me because I, because we are in an unregulated industry.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and I feel like the bar in Yoga in general, is so low as far as.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Education, expectations, professionalism.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: like, you know. And I’m not saying when I say professionalism, I’m not talking about like being stuffy and being on Linkedin and corporate stuff I’m just talking about, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: to me. Yes, integrity and humility like

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Mike. When you said that, you know you, you have people that are taking a 50 h training and then are teaching 100. I don’t even understand how, if you’ve taken a 50 h training, how you can lead a 50 h training unless you’re literally just stealing all the material from your 50 h training.

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Grace Tempany: Which a lot of people do. Nick.

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Grace Tempany: As well like I honestly it. I think there is no end to what people will consider doing when the question is.

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Grace Tempany: comes into the fold at all. And I think we’re going to maybe touch on this a little bit now, which is that people see it as a natural progression in order to

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Grace Tempany: financially develop their careers. Now, I wonder if this is a key piece in it?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I would bet you’re right. I mean, I know it. It is in in the just, in the teacher training model in general, you know just kind of outside of you. There’s so many studios that would not have the roof paid for if they didn’t run teacher trainings. I have some good ideas about that if anyone’s interested on ways around that. But

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, I wonder, though, like, I just think, okay. So

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I had somebody. I think I only said this to you off air I had somebody reach out in my dms on Facebook.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and she said that she really loves Yin, and she wants to start training teachers in Yin. How would she? How would I recommend that? She start?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And you know as much as I was like, okay, that’s confusing. I was like, well, you know, I mean, it is smart to reach out to somebody who is your senior. And you know, as a mentor to kind of like guide you, I mean, because I could give her lots of things not to do mistakes I made, you know. But before I answered. I just kind of clicked through on her profile, and I noticed that in the American Yoga Alliance speak. She was a 200 h teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Not an experienced 200 h teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: not a 500 h teacher and not an experienced 500 h teacher. Now, I don’t know Yoga alliances current guidelines because I’m not a fan of Yoga alliance. There’s episodes about that. If anyone wants to listen to them. But I will say that I do know that at some point I think you had to be an experienced 500 h teacher in order to run a teacher training.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay. So I replied with, well.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and I would recommend, if you’re leaning towards Yin, that you continue getting your hundreds of hours in yin like, if this is something you want to do, don’t just go. Take another half of training like find some a good 300 h yin training

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Nyk Danu Yoga: or several, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I said, to start there and then also, do you have enough experience to be training teachers.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: yeah, I just think, you know, when I’m just thinking about myself, I’m like, when did I go from being a teacher of Yoga to a trainer of teachers to helping, and it wasn’t until somebody asked me.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Like I was just obliviously doing my thing, massively studying with Paul nerding out because I’m a nerd, and I love to just take all the trainings I can afford to cram in. And just you know, I have a voracious appetite for for learning, and so I was just doing my thing. I was just doing that. And then somebody came to me and said

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But I had been teaching for over 10 years. At that point it was definitely, if I was playing Yoga alliances game I would have been like an E 500 by then.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And that’s when I started apprenticing.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I didn’t even create a program yet.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so I responded with all of that. And I said, You know 1st study.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: If you think you want to offer yin Yoga teacher trainings, 1st study study study.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, find a teacher who is qualified.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: who has either studied with you know Paul or Sarah, perhaps for many, many hours.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You can’t study directly with Paul. You can’t study directly with Paul anymore unless you’ve already been studying with Paul. He only is offering things for his teachers. So okay, so that’s off the table. I think Sarah is still running programs, though. So you know, like, if you can’t. And if you can’t fly around the world to go study with Sarah, because, you know, not everyone has that budget. Can you at least look at the

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m probably not using this word right? But pedigree.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, how’s your of the person that you’re considering?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So another one that drives me bananas, and I see it all the time in the yin network is, hey? I want to take a yin training in Bali.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: In these dates amend one. And I’m like, I’m sorry.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Sorry what I mean.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: If you’re if you’re doing that, if you’re doing that just because.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, I want to go on vacation in this way. I can write it off. Okay. But if you’re doing it because you actually want to start teaching Yin Yoga classes.

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Grace Tempany: This is where you see.

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Grace Tempany: Question around taking a box, you see. And I think this is this is actually what what advice could be offered to people who are considering, you know, a Yin training like I mean, and I have. I’ve never stopped saying this, and I feel like a broken record sometimes, because I’m constantly encouraging people to look at people’s backgrounds, to look.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: To them.

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Grace Tempany: Let them look at their websites. Look at who they’ve trained with. If it does not state clearly who they’ve trained with, send them an email and ask them develop a conversation. Don’t just trust Yin. Training in the name means it means it means

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Grace Tempany: it’s nothing. Yeah. And I would say, if you’re listening to this right now, dear teachers, and you do train teachers in Yin, and you do have.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Pedigree. Let’s just say.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And why the hell isn’t that on your website?

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Grace Tempany: I know, I know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I mean mine is, I got a whole certification and training page. You could me, too. Me, too.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: around all you want on there. I was just thinking I was like, Oh, when did I update that last? But anyways

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Nyk Danu Yoga: yes, vet your teachers? Well, look at their training. Look at who they’ve studied with.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Look at their testimonials. Page.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Or their praise page, or whatever it is, if they don’t have like a page with feedback from prior participants, and they don’t have you know, like a training and certification page

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Grace Tempany: of yin, how much Yin practice are you going to actually experience over the course.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, I don’t have that in mind. I should add that.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? I mean, I mean, I don’t think I stated that clearly either. But it’s something that I often wonder like, because I’ve I’ve heard of the reason I’m saying that is because I know people who did a Yin training, and there was no practice.

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Grace Tempany: I honestly I could write a.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The horrors persist.

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Grace Tempany: So there’s just there. All of these things that I’m saying to to write are because I’ve you’ve.

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Grace Tempany: Experience examples of their complete absence. And really, really, this is where the education piece comes in. Because if you’re not running a training space where questions are welcome. Then you’re not running a teacher training. That’s.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Grace Tempany: Leadership like that. That is an absolutely, not a safe learning environment, you know. So I think we really need to encourage questions because the Yoga world by and large, does not. And so

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Grace Tempany: I guess this is the. This is the radical piece. Actually, that when you encourage students to question, you don’t just enhance their critical thinking, their intellect, their discernment. But you actually start to put some ripples out into the Yoga industry as a whole, which has been ridiculously overrun by Guru worship for far too long.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So.

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Grace Tempany: I think that’s a big piece of it as well that the those contributions ripple out.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That’s and and that’s a good aspect, like you said when you’re teaching them how to think critically and to ask questions.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That is what’s going to help them when they’re done your training and they’re sitting at the front of the room, and something comes up that they aren’t prepared for

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, because no matter how amazing our trainings are, we’re all not gonna have every single thing we could possibly ever have in a training. I mean, that would be a lifetime of study. For example.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I had a woman that would come to my yin classes who had a chronic lung condition, and so she was constantly coughing. Stuff up!

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Nyk Danu Yoga: This is pre covid. My God! The poor woman! Now, during Covid, I’m sure she didn’t leave her house and so she would come to my class, and Yin is a lot of lying around, and she would, and that would cause her to cough, and then other people in the room would kind of stare daggers at her because they would assume she was sick, and she was spreading her germs, and so there, as a teacher like nobody prepared me for that situation. So I told her. You know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m really grateful you’re here, but actually like a half, the class would probably be better for you, because you’re not laying around as much. You know you’re you’re standing, and then you’re seated, and you know. And she said, Yeah, I know. But I really.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I really need this class, you know. Nervous system, wise and blah blah. So what is a teacher to do? I mean, nobody prepared me for that. So I just I. But because I have the critical thinking skills. I knew I could figure something out. And so I just paused, and for the rest of that class I was just like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and what we ended up doing was, we made the wall her floor

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Nyk Danu Yoga: so anything she would do lying down I would find a way that she could do it leaning against a wall.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And it was easy to do. Actually, once I was like, Okay, that wall is her floor. How can I orientate her

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Nyk Danu Yoga: flat, and so she’s not coughing, and then she doesn’t feel terrible, as everyone stares daggers at her, and everyone else doesn’t think she’s spreading germs, and you know what I mean. So I was like, I just moved her to the wall.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: in my teaching ability, and also humble enough to not expect to have all the answers, and didn’t have the critical thinking to be able to analyze the situation and look at it and go. Okay, everything is.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I can figure everything out if I just break it apart for a few minutes. And not only did that really help her in my class? But then she started going to actually to the Yoga Therapy College for classes that I studied at, and she ran into me on the street and told me how all of the teachers there were so impressed with her wall practice. They were like, oh, I’ve never seen anyone do that at the wall. I’ve never thought of anybody doing that. And then she said, I told them you you trained me to to use the wall as my floor. And so my point is that

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Nyk Danu Yoga: then anything you didn’t prepare them, for they’ll figure it out

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because they’ll have the ability to like. Ask the questions, to break it down to, you know, to pick it apart, whereas if you don’t encourage questions.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: then you end up with a bunch of I don’t know what it is to say. Sheeps or parrots.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Which I don’t know which one but you end up with a bunch of people that are just doing what you did.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: instead of doing their own thing, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I still, I still feel like. And I, you know, when I

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m gonna just say, if any of you listening to this are brave enough, and you are a 50 h trained teacher, and you are offering a 50 h or more teacher training.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I and you want to reach out. I would love to know the thought process there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m just very curious, because, you know, it’s easy for me to sit in the the seat of judgment, and be like what the fuck are you thinking, you know, like, where is the humility? Where is the studentship? Where is the the pedagogy. But I’m just curious like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because I guess to me I tend to be

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Nyk Danu Yoga: don’t get me wrong. I can sit in the seat of the teacher, and I know what I’m damn good at and what I’m trained in. But I’m also know that I’m always learning, you know, and so I just can’t imagine being

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Nyk Danu Yoga: a 50 h in and then offering even a 50 h.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, which did happen to me. I had somebody way back when I was I was studying with Paul, and I think I was 2 or 300 in, say in a Facebook group that they were considering running a training.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I just naively said in the comments, because I was also a young nerd, oh, my God, who did you study with, you know, and she said that she had taken Bernie Clark’s 50 h

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and then wanted to offer a 50 h. And I just remember my thought process being.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You’ve taken a 50 h from Bernie and.

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Grace Tempany: Like that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That was just my logical was like, and also who else?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And that was it. And I just remember thinking I can’t imagine being.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I can’t imagine being okay with this having a 50 h. And then like, because how are you doing that? Are you just regurgitating what that teacher

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Nyk Danu Yoga: taught you, you know.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, I think. And to be honest with you, this is where AI is gonna really have a very dangerous, you know impact. I think in many ways on on teacher training design. Because I fully believe that people. Just yeah. I I know of a few people who would.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Plagiarism.

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Grace Tempany: I’ve totally plagiarism, but I don’t even think they understand what that word means to be honest with you, but like there are people who would have done a, you know, an online 50 h training with Bernie in Covid times. And then run. Basically, just take that content and

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Grace Tempany: put, you know, take away the 1st page and essentially plagiarize the entire thing, pass it off as kind of their own. And but I think what’s happening, what’s and what’s happening more and more now is people using AI, and you can actually tell. You know, you know, the AI really loves those long dashes. So you can.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Grace Tempany: Emojis.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, it loves emojis, too.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, you can really tell when somebody’s written something. And and yeah, when used AI to to write it. And so I think, now, what will, what would have been outsourced? Because I mean, I know, I know, I mean, I wrote.

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Grace Tempany: I’ve written all of my manuals and curricula for all of my trainings, and from scratch.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You too.

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Grace Tempany: Painstakingly, and, you know, taken from so many different sources. And and I think

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Grace Tempany: the beauty, I suppose, of going through the process is that you’ve such respect

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Grace Tempany: for that generative process, that creative process, the notion of kind of and putting anything into AI is just kind of just something that it just doesn’t really

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Grace Tempany: pass even through my my thinking. But I know that that’s unusual enough, and an awful lot of people now are designing their teacher. Training curriculums through AI and I can tell. I launched a Mayo Yin training, and some some time ago, and literally about a few days later somebody else in Ireland

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Grace Tempany: and announced that they were going to run a Myo Yin training. And when you looked through on their website what they were offering it, it’s all written by AI. It’s so obviously written by.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, jeez.

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Grace Tempany: This, you know, and and I actually know that this person in question doesn’t necessarily even have any training in it. So this is what’s happening now? You see that it doesn’t

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Grace Tempany: And look, you can, I mean, are they? Are those people? Threats? Absolutely not. But they add confusion. That’s my point all the time. We’re not talking about being threatened by competition, because they’re clearly not competition, but what they are are confusing because they confuse.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Grace Tempany: Playing field to quite a large degree that the consumer, the future client.

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Grace Tempany: has to pay so much more attention to their process of buying right.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: To be honest, and I’m going to use this word, even though it’s a heavy word to me. It feels predatory.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, but.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Because you’ve got these innocent teachers

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Nyk Danu Yoga: wanting to learn more bumbling around, looking at websites, overwhelmed with the amount of options. And

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you’re just totally content to take their money, even though if you look in your heart of hearts, you know you’re not qualified.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And yet you’re doing it anyway.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That to me, you know, and and I will say

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Nyk Danu Yoga: as a as a teacher who also works with Yoga teachers on their business. I have my business mentorship hat on.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: that

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I understand the need to make money in this industry. It’s not freaking easy to do. There are very few people in this industry that are full time Yoga teachers, and that are feeding themselves and having any money in the bank and wearing organic cotton leggings like this is not, you know, this is not an easy thing to do.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: However, the answer to that problem is not. I should run a teacher training.

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Grace Tempany: Correct.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Answer to that problem is, I need to fucking. Learn how to market.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and if you need some help, if you need some help, reach out.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, become a specialist and become damn good at fewer things. Instead of doing.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Bravo! Yes.

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Grace Tempany: 30 h training in 15 different goddamn styles. Yeah, like, we’re both.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Do you even need to train teachers like, if you’re a Yoga teacher and you’re not training teachers now. And you think that like just offering teacher training is the way that you’re gonna feed yourself.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You’re missing out on marketing yourself properly to your students like the reason you’re not feeding yourself

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Nyk Danu Yoga: is because you don’t have any business skill set

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Nyk Danu Yoga: when working with the public. That’s just going to translate over to teachers

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Nyk Danu Yoga: like if you don’t know how to like you, said specialize or niche. I might use the word and you don’t know how to reach

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Nyk Danu Yoga: the people that you are ideally suited to serve in an ethical, easy way.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Then that’s still going to be the case when you try to train teachers.

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Grace Tempany: Of course.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s not a it’s not a Band-aid solution. It’s not a.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, become sustainable in my business. Quick fix to start suddenly offering teacher trainings.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and that really, like I I’ll be honest like the whole reason that, like, when I 1st started getting

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Nyk Danu Yoga: asked to train teachers, I wasn’t really that interested I did actually kind of shrink away from it a little bit.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: not because of any kind of imposter syndrome, but just because of the like. I’m just busy doing my own thing over here like that’s like a whole new thing that I would have to to add on. But the reason I did. It is because I realize how

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Nyk Danu Yoga: poorly trained so many teachers are.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I would look at programs and trainings and get so frustrated with

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Nyk Danu Yoga: what they were offering, that I thought, you know, I can continue to complain about the problem.

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Grace Tempany: Or I could be part of the solution.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, yeah, 100%.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So that’s why I work with teachers. Because I you know, I believe that Yoga can change the world, and I also know I can only reach so many students. But if I can help teachers become exceptional teachers now, they’re reaching more people. And you know there’s that ripple effect right? So. The only reason that I started working with teachers is because I saw how much struggle was out there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and I knew that I had.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You know I had what? What could help

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I would. Yeah, I would just say, like for anyone

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Nyk Danu Yoga: start to maybe kind of round this out a little bit for anybody who is.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, I was shocked and horrified to listen to another podcast recently.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and maybe it’s. Maybe I do live in my own bubble. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m just going to say as much as I wish that I was 100% anti AI. I’m not. I will often use AI to create show notes for the podcast

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Nyk Danu Yoga: but I have to go back in and edit it

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Nyk Danu Yoga: like, it’s creating an outline that then I have to go back in and make sound like Nick, you know. And I may use them occasionally for a title like if I’ve got a good episode, but I’m like good title. I’ll be like, give me 10 titles for this episode on this, and then I never take exactly what they’ve given me. I’ll take like the beginning of this one with this one or this one or one of them will spark an idea in my head. And so, using AI as a creative

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Nyk Danu Yoga: like a tool when you’re staring at the blank cursor page, you know, and you’re just like, but nothing’s coming that’s helpful to me. But I end up having to rework it and rewrite things, and all of that.

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Grace Tempany: Between using AI for things like that and using AI to create what you are not able to do yourself and then selling it to people as a trainer.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes. And I remember this, podcast was talking about how many Yoga teachers were using

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Nyk Danu Yoga: AI to create their sequences.

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Grace Tempany: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: To write their meditations and their Yoga Nidra scripts, and I, I mean, call me naive, but like

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Nyk Danu Yoga: fuck. Really, the amount of time that I spent as a new teacher

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Nyk Danu Yoga: banging my head against the sequencing wall

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Nyk Danu Yoga: over and over, and the hours that I spent

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Nyk Danu Yoga: writing things out practicing with my own body. Nope, put this here move, this there. The hours I spent watching videos and going. Write that sequence down. Try it. Oh, that didn’t work. Oh, I don’t like this. Put this over like I cannot tell you the amount of hours I spent

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Nyk Danu Yoga: on on trying to to hone and craft sequencing to think that the next generation is just

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Nyk Danu Yoga: putting in a sequence, and AI is giving it to them. And that’s what they’re teaching

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Nyk Danu Yoga: like, I just think.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That’s that’s a bad sign of the times, as far as I’m concerned, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and let alone, you know. So if so, if I’m horrified by the fact that that some teachers are using it to create their sequence or their meditation script to hear that people are using it for their teacher. Training manuals is like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: that’s like next level horror for me.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, I’m not sure which is worse. The people are using it, or that they’re getting away with it, because

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Grace Tempany: the the people you know signing up can’t, can’t tell, so.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Wild, wild West out there.

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Grace Tempany: It is. It is pretty much the wild Wild West. Yeah. But I guess. And yeah, encouraging people to take the time to ask some questions. Look! That’s the way to to have a positive influence, I think, on that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, I think that maybe what we should do as our roundup for this episode is.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: First, st let’s talk to the people who are looking for a training

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and what they should look for, what to look for. We’ve we’ve touched on it a little bit, but we can kind of maybe hone in on that a little, and then let’s talk about

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Nyk Danu Yoga: the people that are tempted to, or have already started offering trainings.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And really, if they’re sitting still and quiet with themselves in their heart of hearts. They know they’re not qualified

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Nyk Danu Yoga: or they want to start and like what would be those next steps.

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Grace Tempany: How’s that sound.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, sure. Alright.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So let’s start with. Okay, you have a crush on yin. Yoga.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You want to start teaching yin yoga, you’re out there looking for a training. It’s the freaking wild wild West out there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: What do we want to look for? And what do we want to not look for

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’ll I’ll let you start. What are the like? The qualifiers for.

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Grace Tempany: You could.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Training and what to avoid.

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Grace Tempany: Start with the length of the training.

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Grace Tempany: Go to the teacher’s bio. Look at how long the teacher is practicing. Look at how the teacher maintains relationships with her teachers and look at the way they can write and speak about the practice from an experiential place like not just things. They’ve heard their teachers say, but things that are very much.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: From their own practice.

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Grace Tempany: Body from their own practice. Yeah, look at the curriculum, and look at the degree that the I suppose, the variety of influence, I would say, or even just how well does this training, how complete is it, I suppose, in in setting you up, look at teaching practice and look at opportunities to get feedback on your teaching.

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Grace Tempany: And look at how much time you’re actually going to spend experiencing yin in your body.

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Grace Tempany: I would say I covered a good bit there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, I will add, and pick apart

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Nyk Danu Yoga: look at who they’ve trained with. We’ve said that yes 100. And how many hours with said teacher or teachers.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, testimonials.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Do they have a testimonials? Page a praise page or something where you can see from other people who have taken the course what the feedback is.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: If you don’t. If they don’t have that, either of those things on their website, some people are generous and would say, email them, I would say, walk away. Just leave bye next website.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: If because if they don’t have them.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: that might be, why they’re not there or they’re just not savvy enough to know that it’s important to have these things on their website like either way that feels dodgy to me. So if they don’t have their training listed with their teachers. How many hours, etc, etc.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and praise just next?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The syllabus! Yes, what what are you covering?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I never thought to put how many hours of Asana study. So I will add that to mine. Thank you for that, my friend. Because we do 90 min every single time. So I can easily do the math on that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: How long is the training?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I would say at absolute, bare minimum to like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I want to. Maybe sub. The occasional yin class like little toe dip in the water would be a 50 h like minimum standard.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And then, if you love that you need to keep studying from there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I would say, anything shorter than 50 h. Walk away.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, the other thing I want to say, is choosing your Yin training based on location.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I want to go to Bali, and I want to take a Yin training who can recommend one

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Nyk Danu Yoga: no like. Go to Bali. Yes, have a retreat. Write it off on your taxes because you’re a yoga teacher. Please spoil yourself. Indulge. Do all of that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But that is not how we choose a training.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I mean, call me old school. Gen. X. So, yeah, I am old school. But when we started studying with teachers we were study. We were finding the teacher based on their reputation, and then we were going to them.

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Grace Tempany: Exactly wherever they would be, you would go absolutely. You’d follow a hundred percent. That’s.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, it would be like, okay, they only train in this area, and maybe I don’t have the funds for that. But now I know, and I’m going to start saving my my pennies, you know. And so and now there are trainings online that that are can be done well, too, if if the teacher smart about it. And so you know, I have an online training, people no longer have to come to me.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But still, like you’re choose your training based on the the teacher and their reputation.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: not based on the location, and whether or not they have a payment plan.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And the length of the training like when you said that girl saying, Why would I take a hundred hour when there’s a 50? I was just like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: why wouldn’t you want more expertise? I do not. This does not compute to me

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Nyk Danu Yoga: looking to tick a box, you see. Yeah, just

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Nyk Danu Yoga: so I would say all of those things, you know. Look at their website. What was their training? Do they have their their pedigree listed? Do they have testimonials? Do they clearly label

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Nyk Danu Yoga: what you’re going to learn. I even have on mine. This training is not for you, so a lot of people don’t know this, but I have my main training page, my sales letter page, and then when people click, sign up, I have a are you sure page

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Nyk Danu Yoga: to to, because there’s a lot of words on the 1st one to make sure that like, okay, you need to understand these following things. You have to attend 60% live. You must complete the homework assignments. If you want a certificate like this is an actual training. This isn’t a like, I’m gonna watch some videos while I eat chips in my pajamas and get a certificate, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Now, I will say we don’t actually offer in my training practice teaching

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Nyk Danu Yoga: or me watching them teach and giving feedback, because that’s something I offer afterwards in mentorship. But I also clearly late state that

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Nyk Danu Yoga: right there on there. It’s like this, training does not include

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Nyk Danu Yoga: sometimes my trainees will team up and and share zoom links and practice teaching on each other, and I don’t have to organize it. And that’s fine. But typically what happens is after someone’s done my program. Then we dive into mentorship. And that’s where they get

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Nyk Danu Yoga: what you just mentioned, where it’s like I’m gonna get you to record your class. And I’m gonna you know, give you feedback. And you’re gonna shadow me when I’m teaching and all of that stuff.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So that’s how I handle that. But yeah, so I would say, that’s a good start.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah. Yeah. And the next question then, was, about people who wanted to run a training.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay.

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Grace Tempany: That’s Hi! There!

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The people who have maybe been listening to this. And they did do what we just said

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Nyk Danu Yoga: where they did just take a 50 h. And now they’re teaching a 50 or 100. So either that person or someone who’s like, I really want to offer a in training.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, why, why, I?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Grace Tempany: I would get a page out, and I would write down every single reason why. And and if you’re already doing it, the same question applies.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Why? Yeah.

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Grace Tempany: Bye, so that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Everything starts with y.

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Grace Tempany: Everything starts. Why, you’d hope so. I think that’s that’s a good place, I think you know, to to start. And and then the next page is, how and how is like, how are your skills suited to this? How are you as a full package and able

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Grace Tempany: to do this work? How are you best suited? So all of your you know, how? How are all your skills, your experience, your education, your degree, your master’s potentially, your you know experience elsewhere. And how do they support you in this venture? And

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Grace Tempany: and I mean, those 2 are are great, and then I think maybe you you could have.

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Grace Tempany: you could have some questions or some gentle inquiry. I mean, I think, the value of a mentor, the value of just having someone who will mirror back your process to you like I mean, if it’s just you don’t just wake up one day and go.

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Grace Tempany: I like yin. I’ve done a couple of Yin classes. And I did this training. I think I’m going to run a training now, because, you know, I we live in a world where we can do what we want to do. And it’s just it’s like, it’s this, I actually wish those people could just be given a dose of imposter syndrome. You know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Don’t you find that the Yoga world in general.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I would say, is, I’m going to do percentages, and math is not my skill set.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Let’s say 40% of people have imposter syndrome.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And then 40% could use some imposter syndrome, 2 for

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01:17:10.470 –> 01:17:25.739
Nyk Danu Yoga: good dose of humility. And then it’s the little leftover sliver of people that are actually staying within their lane within their scope of practice, working on honing their skills, being humble enough to say, I don’t know when they don’t know, you know? Yeah, it. Yeah.

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Grace Tempany: Don’t know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, I feel like,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I love that you started with Y,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because if the answer to why is money and wrong answer.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s not, it’s not. It can’t be the answer. Because what’s gonna happen is you’re gonna offer mediocre trainings

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Nyk Danu Yoga: that you’re probably not qualified to lead.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That money was the last thing I considered when I started working with teachers. In fact, I don’t even know if I charged the 1st person who apprenticed with me. I was just like, okay, you wanna sure I don’t know how this is gonna work. But

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Nyk Danu Yoga: come along. We’ll we’ll figure it out together. Let’s get on the path together, you know. So money should not be the answer. And if you are running your trainings just to make money

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Nyk Danu Yoga: again. I’m going to say this with love to your Yoga teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Your problem isn’t that you’re not offering a teacher training. Your problem is that you don’t know how to market yourself.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So if you’re not making enough with what you’re already doing.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: that’s where you want to focus your time, attention and energy on figuring out how to run your business.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Don’t just like start throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping that if I just offer a myofascial training. Then that’ll make me money, and if I just do, it’s like no like, stop the madness. Learn 1st how to market your business. I can help you, if you need help, just reach out, learn that part first, st because otherwise everything you add on is going to be just the same.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I would say, the why is key?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: As I mentioned, I was a reluctant teacher training. The only reason I did this is because 2 parts, one people reached out and asked me to.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and 2, because I could see the horrors that were happening out there. And I just thought, Oh, my God! Like really! Is this?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Is this all there is to quote a song? Is this all there is, you know. And that’s why I stepped into that role

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Nyk Danu Yoga: rather reluctantly. But here we are. And now I can’t imagine life without it.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So the why is key? Because if you’re just doing it for money.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: it’s not. It’s not good enough.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Just not. We need to. As

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Nyk Danu Yoga: as Yoga professionals who are unregulated. We need to hold the bar high for ourselves as professionals.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So that I agree. The why and the how that was good. I like that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah. Like, how are you even gonna write a manual?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I didn’t know. I had no idea. I just sat down and was like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, shall we start at the beginning like I was telling a story. You know, it’s like, let’s start at the beginning. What do they need to know first? st And then I mean, yeah. And and I as much as I don’t agree with it. And I think it’s again another horror that you just educated me on that people are using AI to write their manuals.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Because that would have saved me time. Wow! But the amount of blood, sweat and tears, and editing and re-editing, and on and on and on and on that went into writing a manual

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Nyk Danu Yoga: like that in itself is work that as a teacher. If you’re listening and you want to start training, you don’t even realize how much work that is, unless you’re going to cheat and use AI, which I do not recommend.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And, by the way, you’re not getting paid for that work.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Fyi, you spend hours and hours and hours and hours typing at your computer before you even have the manual for the course that you now need to fill.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So the how. Also? Yeah, I would just say.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: if you’re feeling drawn to teach

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Nyk Danu Yoga: teachers in any vein, whether it’s yin or restorative, or whatever you know, kind of your specialty is.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: ask yourself honestly, am I qualified to do this

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Nyk Danu Yoga: like? That’s where that 20% of

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Nyk Danu Yoga: not imposter syndrome, but not hubris comes in like. Am I truly qualified to do this? And if not.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: but it is something I really want to do. Well, now you know your path.

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01:21:47.040 –> 01:21:52.040
Nyk Danu Yoga: Now you. You gain that experience and those qualifications as a teacher

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01:21:52.970 –> 01:22:02.649
Nyk Danu Yoga: before you tried to train teachers because there are. So I would say that there was stuff in my manual. Of course we go over that in my course. But 90%

644
01:22:03.401 –> 01:22:09.439
Nyk Danu Yoga: of the Ahas that people get in my program are for them asking questions

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and for statements that I’ve made. You know all the little things that can’t be easily put into a manual.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and in order to have those you need to have the experience as a teacher

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Nyk Danu Yoga: to be able to offer that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, like to to. So if you’re a new teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I hate to say it. But sit down, child.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, just.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Let’s wait.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Now is not the time.

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Grace Tempany: 10 years.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Study, study, find a mentor.

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Grace Tempany: Hours. They say 10,000 to master something. So I really feel like, Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That’s a yeah. It’s a good number

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Nyk Danu Yoga: to be a huge amount of of

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Nyk Danu Yoga: study study. Find a mentor, have the humility to train, train.

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Grace Tempany: Okay, we got it all.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, I think we got it all. I mean, of course, as soon as we log off we’ll be like we should have said this. But then that’s just a reason to bring you back.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I would love to. I think we should probably wrap it up. Now I’m gonna skip the icebreaker fun questions because we did those on your 1st time.

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01:23:10.640 –> 01:23:17.859
Nyk Danu Yoga: But I will say I will bring up 2. So first, st is there anything I forgot to ask you about.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That is kind of percolating that you feel like we should.

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Grace Tempany: And

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Grace Tempany: oh, gosh! So many! No, I mean when I get a good question in the moment. That’s when I think I I riff best. But no, I can’t think right now of anything in particular.

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Grace Tempany: That no.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay? And then

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Nyk Danu Yoga: tell me as please use this opportunity as a shameless plug for your programs. And let me know 1st of all. What are you offering, and where people can find you.

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Grace Tempany: So you can find me@gracetempany.com, and you can find my training. So my my signature program, I guess, is the art of Yin, 100 h training and which opens the pathway to 2, 300 h programs. The 1st is functional, Yoga integrated and the second Soma talk body psychotherapy program. And so they are. All of the information is kind of there on the website. But

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Grace Tempany: yeah, I’m based based in Dublin, in Ireland. And I teach both all around Ireland and online and in Europe and in Bali, funnily enough, we mentioned Bali. But and the yeah, that’s just for.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Well, that’s good to know. Next time someone in the group says I need a training in Bali. I’m just gonna

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Nyk Danu Yoga: hey.

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Grace Tempany: Fair not to attract people who just want to come to Bali.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Right fair enough.

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Grace Tempany: Fair enough, fair enough. And so yeah, that’s me. And look, I’m on a break from Instagram at the minute, but you can often find me there at Grace Championy, and talking about all things, yin and encouraging critical thinking and discernment amongst the social media population, much to my heart’s miscontent. Sometimes when I realize my efforts are mostly in vain. Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes. Yeah. Okay.

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Grace Tempany: Of course I.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I would say, I would say, what? What? Grace probably isn’t. Gonna say, I’m I’m guessing you have a an email list.

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Grace Tempany: I do? I do?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay. So my friends, rather than trying to find her on Instagram, what you need to do is you need to get on her website. And you need to

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Nyk Danu Yoga: her email list, even if

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Nyk Danu Yoga: maybe you’re not looking at training, you know, in the next 6 months, or whatever like, get on the list. That’s what I always say to people I’m like. Don’t don’t count on seeing that I have a training coming up on Instagram, because Instagram shows your followers, one to 2% of your stuff. So like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: yeah, yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: on the email list. So if you, especially those of you that are in the Uk and area.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I have. I have several students in my online training that are in the Uk, and that that times it’s not too bad

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Nyk Danu Yoga: for them. But you know I mean, I have.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You know, people from all around the world, and sometimes I’m like, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: someone else’s time. Zone might work better for you. So.

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Grace Tempany: Yeah, absolutely. Well, the time zone. Yeah. The Uk and Ireland would would work well. And for the yeah, for the autumn cohort. So.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, yeah. Cause I mean, it’s not far. Even if you were in person and someone wanted to come and travel, you know.

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Grace Tempany: No, no.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Thank you so much for doing this with me.

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Grace Tempany: Thanks, Rick, pleasure.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I think it’s so wonderful that you can just be kind of chatting in the Dms. With a colleague and kind of both talking about stuff that’s on your mind, and then just be like, hey.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: why don’t we record this and make it a little fireside chat?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So those of you listening. I hope that you got something out of this. Some food for thought

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Nyk Danu Yoga: and again, remember, like, neither of us are sharing this because we’re like, Oh, come to my training, it’s it’s just it’s so.

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Grace Tempany: Out of there about the industry. Really, it’s out of concern for industry standards. At least, you know, speaking myself.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Heartbreaking to witness. Yeah, it’s genuine heartbreak to witness.

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Grace Tempany: It’s just, it’s it’s the other disrespect, not just for the practice itself, and the sacredness of the practice itself and the integrity of it, but the the efforts of those who truly devote their life’s work to its cultivation and to its integral sharing. It’s a real slap in the face, actually to kind of to yeah, to operate in that way. So yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So we came to you with broken hearts about, yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That’s why we’re doing it, because it’s it’s horrible, like, Grace said, to pour your heart, soul.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: dollars, time, passion, into something that you truly revere, love, respect, and honor, and want to

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Nyk Danu Yoga: offer to people in the absolute best way you can, and then to see these horrors persist and go. Whoa! What’s happening? Why, why are they doing this to the Yoga? You know. Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: all right.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: for those of you listening. Grace, and I’ll say a proper goodbyes when I hit. Stop record. But for those of you that have been listening, thank you for hanging out with us and bye, for now.