AcuYin Yay or Nay?

AcuYin Yay or Nay?
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[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to a Y Yoga podcast or welcome back. Today we are gonna talk about ACU Yin. What the heck is ACU Yin? And is this something that we should be doing with ourselves, with our students? Is this like something to add on our continuing education list? Should we be taking an accu in training?

So if you wanna learn more about that, stay tuned.

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It’s a bit wiggly, a little jiggly. So on YouTube, my apologies, friends. Okay, let’s get into this. Right? So the question was, what do we think of acu Yin, yay [00:09:00] or nay? Hmm. And as always, with everything in Yin, the answer is going to be, well, it depends. And let’s start with why. So if you’re considering taking an Accu y course as a yoga teacher.

To be able to do that with your students. I got some worries about that. I’ll get into them in a moment. If you’re taking an ACU in course to give yourself some acupressure. Less worries. First, I should probably just say, what is an Accu Yin course? So Accu y is learning acupressure points or acupuncture points, but without needles.

, And, , adding that to the yin practice. So if you have not listened to the episode, yin yoga is Not Chinese Medicine with my friend Dr. Corina Smith. [00:10:00] I will link that in the episode notes. You should give that a listen. Here’s the thing. We, in my opinion, we always have to start with why. So why would you wanna take an accu y course?

If you wanna take it just for continuing ed, maybe you’re at that point in your, your career where you’re like, oh shit, I need a course to keep my, you know, keep my cred, , my credentialing then. Okay. Like, I guess, um, or if you just really wanna learn for yourself. Okay. Cool. But if you’re taking an ACU y course, because you’re now gonna go around and start stimulating acupressure points on your students, or you’re gonna teach them how to do it on themselves, that’s where we got some issues in my opinion.

First of all, when you see an acupuncturist, they are not just randomly picking points to poke around with a needle. They’re doing a long intake with you. [00:11:00] And the points, for example, that they might use with you might even be different than what they might use with me. This is very individual, so let’s just say we both go to an acupuncturist with a headache.

There might be a couple points that overlap, but odds are we may not have the same root source or root cause of that headache. And so the acupuncturist is not gonna do the same points on me as they might do on you. So. Please. Let’s not forget dear yoga teacher, that Chinese medicine is a very old practice.

It’s quite complex and it takes years of study to understand and to implement. And then every acupuncturist or , medical Qigong practitioner or acupressure person, shiatsu practitioner that I know of says they continue learning for the rest of their career. So to think that you can go take. An ACU yin course and [00:12:00] actually be successfully understanding which points to use in which scenarios and which points not to use in other scenarios problematic, in my opinion.

The other thing to, , the other thing to mention is that, . A lot of times the people leading these courses are not Chinese medicine practitioners. They’re not Chinese medicine doctors. They’re not acupuncturists. They may not even have shiatsu training, which is a, it’s a bit of a different approach, but they also work with points on the body and they’re a yoga professional who may or may not have gotten some supervision from , a Chinese medicine doctor.

Or they may have collaborated a bit with the Chinese medicine doctor and now they’ve created this course. Now, I also think it’s problematic that a Chinese medicine doctor , would wanna train a yoga teacher to do this, because, like I just said, the points are really [00:13:00] individual, right?

Some points are not safe for some people. Some points are generally safe for most people. Some points aren’t gonna stimulate the same thing in you versus me. So taking a whole course, learning maybe where stomach 36 is and how to poke it with your fingers or you know, circle on it or whatever it is that you’re doing.

If you don’t understand what the diagnosis is of the person doing it and you don’t understand. Um, you know, the energetics of stomach 36, like what is the point of that? What is it good for? What is it not good for? What cases would you use that? What cases would you not use that and you might do something else.

So if you can’t answer all those questions, then I don’t think that you should be poking around on other people’s bodies or teaching them how to poke around on their [00:14:00] body. Here’s one very simple example. Large intestine four called heu. Hopefully I’m pronouncing that somewhat. Okay. My Mandarin pronunciation is not brilliant.

Um, is on the hand. Large intestine point, and you can’t see this if you’re listening, but if you bring your thumb close to your finger, you kind of trace that little crease and you can find it somewhere in there. Everybody’s a little different as to where these points are. It’s often tender. Now here’s the thing, before you start doing that, squeezing it.

Are you pregnant? If so, you shouldn’t be activating that point, unless of course you’re very overdue and you just want that baby out already. So this is just one very small example of how, a very simple point that you could find easily and stimulate, and that has a bunch of benefits. It’s a really, really good point.

Used for a lot of helpful things, but if you didn’t know that, you shouldn’t use that when you’re pregnant. [00:15:00] Now we have a problem. So there is a reason dear yoga teacher, why acupuncturists Chinese medicine doctors, medical Qigong practitioners spend thousands and thousands and thousands of hours learning about this ancient medicine and learning about the points.

What is the point of the point, pun intended, and what does that point do? And if I combine it with this point, what does it do and who might I use that point on and who won’t benefit from that point? See where I’m going with this. Now there are generally some acupressure points that are generally safe for most people.

There’s no a hundred percent rule about that, of course. , And I do in my teacher training, I think I have four or five. On a document that I walk my students through, but it’s mostly for them to use on themselves. Not so much for them to now go out and have a workshop where they’re [00:16:00] doing accu acupressure and in, because again, it’s, they’re not qualified.

I did just over, or sorry, just over, it was like two and three quarters, almost three years of of training in Chinese medicine and one of the courses that I took is a program called Tana, which is like a form of Chinese body work, and it involves all kinds of different sort of massage techniques, but it also involves acupressure and you know how to do that with your hands.

So what points to touch, how to touch them. Which ways to circle or to put pressure? Um, I actually took that course twice because I really liked it, and I know that whenever you take any training, you only absorb a certain amount of information, so I took it twice and so I feel comfortable teaching a class.

For example, I used to teach a class called Yin Yoga for grounding, where there’s not even a handful of points, maybe four, [00:17:00] that are good for grounding folks. I know what the points are, I know where they are and I know who shouldn’t be doing them or what the counterindication is. And so I can comfortably teach that class and show people these points because the points I’m using are quite innocent.

And um, the intention is just grounding. I’m not trying to heal them from anything serious. Now here’s the thing though. In Chinese medicine, some of you may have heard me say this before, they talk a lot about the root and the branch. So the branch is the symptoms, like, I have a headache, I’m anxious, I have IB, s, whatever the, the symptoms are.

So yes, Chinese medicine will treat those symptoms, but they’re also gonna look further back and say, what is the, what is the root? Like, what is the root cause of this? So, unlike. Allopathic medicine where you go see the doctor and you’re like, I have yet IBS [00:18:00] symptoms, and they get out their prescription pad and they write something for you.

Now, this is most doctors, I’m sure there are magical unicorns out there, especially within integrated medicine, that actually do wanna get to what is the root cause of your IBS. But most of them, you see them for very few minutes. They’re gonna pull out a prescription pad. They’re gonna write you a prescription and send you on your way.

So in Chinese medicine terms, that would be dealing with the branch, but not the root. Which means the symptoms don’t go away. You actually haven’t healed anything. You’ve just kind of taken away the symptom or put a bandaid on the symptom. And in Chinese medicine, they’re always trying to go back to what is the root cause.

So for example, I could give people those points for grounding. Lots of folks with anxiety came to that class. So I’m giving them the branch, right? I’m saying if you could use this point, you could use this point, et cetera, et cetera. Here’s how you [00:19:00] access it. Here’s where it is. And that might help you feel more grounded, especially in times of high anxiety.

And the nice thing about that is, , a lot of these things they’re portable and so they can, you know, when they’re out in the world. Be reminded of the point and and bring their mind to it. But here’s the thing.

I didn’t get to the root. Why are they anxious? Right? That’s not something I can do as a yoga professional, first of all, ’cause I’m not a therapist, nor am I a medical professional or a counselor or anything. I’m giving them a tool to use when they feel overwhelmed or anxious, that will help ground them, and that’s helpful for sure.

That’s helpful. I’m not trying to say that’s not important, but what I’m not doing is I’m not getting to the source of that anxiety. Whereas if you were to see an acupuncturist, they’re gonna take your pulse, they’re gonna look at your tongue. Some styles of acupuncture might even give you a little sniff, sniff talking to you.

Five element folks. [00:20:00] They’re gonna listen to your intake, and not even just the words, but the tone of your voice. When you pause, when you sigh. They’re gonna do a very in depth, , analysis of what’s going on with you as a whole being, and that’s what’s gonna inform their treatment protocol. And so that’s why you and I might go in with the same symptoms.

Maybe we both go in and we say we’re anxious. There might be a couple overlaps with the points, but that Chinese medicine practitioner might use different points for you than me. So this is what happens when we take a very old system of medicine and we try to oversimplify it and I don’t know why we need to do this.

If a teacher’s selling this, it’s just because, you know, they’re looking for another way to train more teachers and make some more dough. Because if they, if that wasn’t the case, they would actually spend the time to go to Chinese medicine [00:21:00] school and actually become an acupuncturist or TCMD if that’s, if they really felt , a deep love and, , respect for the medicine itself.

They would study it in depth, not offer a a t-shirt training in it. , And then they would take on people. In a more apprenticeship, longer learning methodology, et cetera, et cetera. So they wouldn’t just be like, oh, here’s your 60 hour or your 50 hour, your 100 hour course on acu y for everybody. They would be passing that knowledge on in a much smaller kind of mentorship role.

So somebody was really doing this because of their love for Chinese medicine. That to me, doesn’t come across in a course for acu y. So the other thing I wanna mention is that, acupressure points have a lot of power, [00:22:00] like a lot of power. I’m gonna tell you a little story. So I’ve been getting acupuncture for quite a few years now, , I don’t know, 15, 17, something like that.

, As often as I can afford to., And when I was in school, we actually got to have, we got to see the teachers in clinic and our colleagues for almost nothing. And so I was getting acupuncture like once or twice a week. It was glorious. And one time. I’ve heard about this thing called medical qigong, which is something that I do wanna dive into exploring.

Some of you know this story already because you’ve been listening for a while, but I studied Chinese medicine for, , three years, and that included some biomed studies. So it wasn’t three years of just Chinese studies, but majority Chinese medicine studies. Then to realize that I wasn’t super excited about putting needles in people, but what I was super excited about is when we were in tuna and we were doing the body work and the acupressure, as soon as I was able to use my hand, my finger, I loved it.

And so that led me to [00:23:00] believe once I quit the Chinese medicine course, that maybe something like shiatsu is what I was thinking at the time might be the thing. Or then I heard about medical Qigong. There’s a local gal here who does a medical Qigong training and she was having a student clinic and sometimes the clinics are very themed, like Parkinson’s, cancer, et cetera.

But this one was open, come one, come all. And they’re free. I think they were free. They were either free or like very cheap donation to pay for the space that they were in. And so I booked one ’cause I thought, this’ll be awesome. I love all things Chinese medicine. I’m gonna go get me some medical Qigong and when I get acupuncture I usually feel a little bit otherworldly for a little while after that appointment.

Meaning I should probably walk carefully if I’m walking home ’cause I’m a little bit, not aware of my surroundings as much as I would’ve been before. The great thing about that is I’m also not bothered by them. [00:24:00] So the very first time I had acupuncture, I remember leaving and I was living in a very noisy area.

And also the office was in a very noisy area of a large city. And so, you know, I’m in this beautiful little state of other worldliness and I’ve come from this clinic and then I go out onto the, into the real world and bam, traffic, sirens, cars, hos, all the things, right? But. I hardly noticed them. I felt like there was this bubble around me that was protecting me a little bit.

From all of the chaos. I was very aware. I was still aware that everything was happening, but I didn’t feel assaulted by it would be the best word I could use. So that was after my first time of acupuncture and that’s what hooked me. Yeah, it was super helpful for my right trap and all the other things I needed it for.

But man, that was cool. So what I was expecting when I went for this medical Qigong, which involves. Acupressure as well as other things. I was expecting that, I’d probably be in that state for maybe an hour or so, hour and a half, [00:25:00] and so just like I would after acupuncture, I wouldn’t go get acupuncture and then go right home and study.

This is while I was still in my Chinese medicine studies and I had a lot of studying to do. I had a midterm coming up, so I thought, okay, let’s go to this Saturday clinic. I’ll get a little medical Qigong and then, because I’ll be feeling kind of floaty and not really able to study, I’ll get a tea and I’ll go for a nice long walk.

I’ll go to the beach. I’ll, , go say hi to the trees for a while. And then when I start to feel kind of more like my familiar self again, I’ll go home and do a good deep dive of studying. That studying never happened because I felt otherworldly for the whole rest of the day, and even when I went to bed.

That was without even a needle. My friends, that was somebody gently putting acupressure on my points. She had some mutterings she was doing too, some mantra or something. Little bit of breath, and I floated outta there like I was on another planet. [00:26:00] So my point by telling you this story is do not underestimate the power of these points.

They are very powerful. Whether you use a needle or a finger will have different results, but either one. Super powerful. And so this is why if you wanna do acupressure, you should take some Chinese medicine studies or if you wanna, or shiatsu, maybe you don’t wanna study Chinese medicine, but if you wanna be putting your fingers on people’s points, you need to understand what the heck is the 0.4.

What does it do? What other points is it complimentary to? Who shouldn’t have this point stimulated, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And is any of that information happening in an accu y course? Does? I don’t know. ’cause I haven’t taken it. Maybe they do, but I still think it’s dangerous [00:27:00] to be like, , maybe they do say, don’t stimulate this point for these reasons.

Maybe they include that information. I don’t know. But then the question is. Are the teachers graduating from that program, remembering that, and then are they saying it when they’re working with people or are they just , look at my new sparkly, showboat thing. Now I can do acupressure with my yin. I can’t wait to teach a workshop.

And they have no idea what their students are dealing with as far as their health, mentally, emotionally, physically. So the answer is, acu. Acu. Should I take it yay or nay? Well. It depends as everything in yin, it depends. If you wanna take it as some cool mind, , expanding stuff and to use on your own body, sure, why not Still, you wanna be mindful that some points may not be suitable for you.

If you are taking it because now you wanna go be pushing on people’s [00:28:00] points, or you wanna be teaching them how to do acupressure on themselves, then that dear yoga teacher is beyond your scope of practice. I have gone to acupuncturists where they, you know, show me certain points that I can then go stimulate at home in between treatments, but they’re showing me what the, where the points are.

What to do. And they’re an acupuncturist. They’re not a yoga teacher, right? It’s not a workshop where they’re like, oh hey, , do this if you have a headache. Because guess what? The command point for the head is the same point that I told you is not safe for pregnant women. So if you just read somewhere that this point is great for headaches or PMS pain or something else, and now you’re stimulating it and you’re teaching your students to, that can be problematic.

So I think what we’re lacking a lot in the yoga verse is wisdom and humility and respect of tradition. [00:29:00] So I’m all for adding modern things to our yin. So for example. I’m all for getting a trauma training. In fact, if you’re listening to this and you were considering an ACU, again training, have you taken a trauma course?

That, in my opinion, would be far better use of your time. You know, I’m all for adding things as we learn more, but what I’m not a big fan of is learning things just to learn them so that we can have some cool new yoga tricks that we can tuck in our back pocket so that we can feel really smart. We can teach more workshops and we can be perhaps using these things in a way that isn’t skillful and potentially causing harm.

So that’s my, that’s my speech on that. And if the program is consistent enough to say this, PO this point is used for these things and shouldn’t be used by these things. They’re also [00:30:00] forgetting is that usually that point wouldn’t be stimulated on its own. It would have a, , a little handful of other points that would compliment it so that you’re getting a full, well-rounded treatment.

As a yoga professional, you know, learn a little bit about acupressure and then all of a sudden start training teachers whether you’ve got, help from a Chinese medicine doctor or not. I don’t know why a Chinese medicine doctor would help with this, to be frank. Um, but if they do. Uh, how much safety is going into this because we might think you’re just stimulating a little point somewhere and no big deal.

But remember that story I just told you I was otherworldly for a full 24 hours because of a couple points. Somebody , stimulated on me with no needles and just she, you know, did some breath work and said some things and, and I remember even at the time, laying there on the table going. This medical Qigong.

This is fucking bullshit. [00:31:00] This is bullshit. , She’s just pushing on me and muttering stuff and I can tell she drank coffee this morning. And anyway, that, so that’s where my head was the whole time. I wasn’t even focused on what she was doing other than I was trying to name the points in my head ’cause I was in Chinese medicine school, but I wasn’t even being embodied and like really paying attention and like super relaxed or anything when that treatment happened.

Despite all of that, despite me being distracted and a little judgy and a little bit like, I don’t think this is doing anything. I felt like I was living on another planet for 24 hours. So these points are very powerful. This work is very powerful. This work is very individualized. What works for one person isn’t gonna work for another.

So teaching this in a continuing education program, acu y for your students, and then you take the [00:32:00] course and now you’re gonna go. And what offer acupressure points to your students when you don’t know their medical history? You don’t know what’s going on with them. You don’t know what they have to do the next day.

What if they get so floaty they can’t drive home? I mean, not likely, but possible. So I think sometimes as yoga professionals, we really could use a big bitch slap of humility. I’m just gonna say it that way. We need some humility. These are very old traditions with very deep knowledge. People spend thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of hours studying these things.

These practices are individual. So what might work for me might not work for you. You can’t just go, oh, you have a headache so blank. Or, oh, this problem so blank. It doesn’t work that way. And my fear is that when we take these courses as yoga professionals and we [00:33:00] get a false sense of security about what we know, and then we start going out and spreading that with our students, that can be really irresponsible.

It’s kind of a case of dear yoga teacher, you really don’t know all that you don’t know. And so that’s why I would say, Hmm, maybe not. So the, the real question was accu y training, yay or nay, I would say if you just want it for curiosity, for your own knowledge and maybe to work with your own body. Sure.

I’d still run some of those points you’re doing past your acupuncturist first to make sure that they’re suitable for you. But okay, fine, why not? But if you’re doing it because now you wanna go out and teach workshops and you wanna teach all your students how to do acupressure, uhuh irresponsible again, these are very powerful points and this is very powerful medicine, and you need to use it with skill [00:34:00] and wisdom and grace.

None of which can happen in a continuing education program because this is why acupuncturists ACU acupuncturists study for thousands of hours and then even then usually have a mentor. Even when they’re licensed and they’re graduated, they’re doing mentorship, they’re constantly learning. You’re not gonna get that in a little program that’s, you know, I don’t know how many hours it is.

I don’t know. I haven’t looked into, by the way, I’m not talking about anybody’s specifics program. I don’t know. I don’t know anybody specifically that , I’m not speaking about anyone specifically. I’m talking in general sweeping terms that if someone’s offering something called ACU y and they are not a Chinese medicine practitioner, and it is not a very long course, I think that’s problematic.

And I also think it’s disrespectful of lineage, of tradition. , And , again, I think we need collectively. We start looking at stuff like this, a big sort of [00:35:00] bitch lap of humility. We need some humility to smack us upside the head and be like, whoa, hang on here. Yoga teacher, you are not an acupuncturist.

You cannot do this wisely and with skill, despite the fact that you just took an ACU yen training. All right there. There’s my unpopular opinion perhaps with some of you on that. If you’re considering that course and you wanted to do it to find a way to make new offerings, to make more money, to offer new, fun, shiny, sparkly, showboat things with your students, I would say skip it and do something totally unsexy, like a trauma training.

Since every single teacher will have people that are traumatized, show up for their classes, far more useful., So that’s what I wanna say about that. , Before I sign off, please remember you can send me requests. That’s what this was. This was a requested topic. So I would love the, I would love your [00:36:00] requests.

You can either send them on Instagram or comment on Spotify or on YouTube. Um, and just let me know subjects that you might be interested in. If I’ve already done an episode on it that I think covers it, I’ll just give, I’ll share the link with you so you can check it out. Um. If it’s something that I don’t think would make a full episode, like it’s not, wouldn’t be in depth enough of a question.

I’ll add it to my q and a episode, which will be coming up probably later this season, where I just take random questions that are not quite long enough for a whole episode and I’ll add it to that list. But I would love to know your questions, your topic ideas, et cetera, et cetera. And until we meet again, bye for now.