Should You Offer Yoga Nidra in Your Yin Classes

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yannis, today I have a real treat for you.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: We’re going to talk about Yoga Nidra. First of all, am I saying that right?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: We’ll find out.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: We’re gonna have a chat with my friend and colleague, I am Inland, and…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: we have been trying to have this interview for, I swear, over a year, and just couldn’t get our schedules to line up.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: She had to cancel once, I had to cancel once. So, needless to say, it’s been a long time coming.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And the goal of this episode is to answer the question that was put to her by one of our mutual students, which was, can you do yoga, Nidra?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Which was, can you do Yoga Nidra?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yin together?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I know a lot of you do.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And a lot of you might be Nidra curious.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Maybe you want to take some training, you want to learn more about it, so whether you’re already a raving fan of Yoga Nidra, or you’re considering taking some training and adding it to your repertoire, whether it’s your yin classes or your other classes, then this episode is for you.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Before we get into Kaya’s bio.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And the interview, I do want to share this little nugget here.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Of… of re… a review of the podcast.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It says, great resource for yin yoga teachers, and it’s by Jen Ragg.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I recently discovered this podcast. I’m now in the process of diving into past episodes, as it’s both fun and informative. Thank you, Jen.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You are a total yin geek like me. You have… you will have the depth of Nick’s knowledge, as well… let’s try this all over again.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: A great resource for Yin Teachers by Jen Ray. This is a little podcast review.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I recently discovered this podcast, and now I’m in the process of diving into past episodes, as it is both fun and informative.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: If you are a total yin yoga geek like me, you will love the depth of Nick’s knowledge, as well as her authenticity and humor.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: She asks insightful questions when she interviews guests.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: as a yin teacher, these are the same questions I would ask.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I just led a 15-hour yin intensive this weekend, and included this podcast on my list of resources.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Thank you for sharing your passion for this powerful practice. Thank you, Jen, and thanks for sharing

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Sharing the love, sharing the podcast, I really appreciate that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: My friends.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: let me introduce you to today’s guest. Now, I will tell you, if there is anything that I need to know about the Vedic tradition.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, stuff that’s going on out there in the yogaverse that’s not necessarily accurate, how to pronounce anything in Sanskrit, etc, etc.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Kaya’s my gal. This is who I go to. So let’s learn a little bit more about Kaya.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Kaya Midland is a trusted teacher guiding many of today’s yoga teachers and long-time practitioners.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Mature seekers resonate with her authentic approach that synthesizes the mystical and practical.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: With over 24 years of experience… of teaching experience. Oh, let’s start this all over again.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, so let’s learn a little bit about my friend and guest, Kaya.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Kaya is a trusted teacher, guiding many of

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Today’s yoga teachers and long-time practitioners. Mature seekers resonate with her authentic approach that synthesizes the mystical and the practical.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: With over 24 years of teaching experience and the blessing of her gurus as a steward of the Vedic tradition.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Kaya expertly weaves enlivened Vedic storytelling and scripture, devotional rituals, chanting, veterananta, Tantra, yoga therapy, Vedic astrology, and the Ayurveda, as well in a rich, accessible style.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: She has been training teachers in the mystical householder approach to yoga, nidra, since 2013.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Students find their… Yoga home in Kaya’s exclusive in…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Students find their yoga home in Kaya’s inclusive and deep approach that prioritizes the student-teacher relationship, as well as the sacred container in which anything can be fodder for spiritual growth.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: She lives in a seaside village in the US with her husband, a masterful Vedic astrologer, and her two children.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And the next time you hear from me, I will be with Kaia.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, yin friends, just a reminder, that this is an adult podcast with adult subject matter.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And that I have the mouth of a sailor and the soul of a mermaid, so there is no guarantee there will be colorful language, but there’s also no guarantees there won’t be. So if you have small people around, go grab some headphones now.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And now, welcome, Kaia. I’m so glad you’re finally here.

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Kaya Mindlin: Glad to be with you, Nick.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: those of you who don’t know, because you weren’t, you know, in our emails, is we’ve been trying to do this for over a year, and we just couldn’t get calendars to line up, and then, you know, life happened, and Kai had to cancel once, and I had surgeries, and I had to cancel, and it’s been a long time coming. So, I’m so glad that we’re finally doing this.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Before we dive into today’s topic, I would love for you to share, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: doesn’t have to be a novel, but also doesn’t have to be Reader’s Digest version. Your, sort of, journey from finding yoga and then becoming a teacher, if you don’t mind.

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Kaya Mindlin: Sure.

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Kaya Mindlin: I found yoga in my early 20s, maybe I was about 20 years old.

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Kaya Mindlin: As a child, I was,

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Kaya Mindlin: asking internally a lot of very deep questions. Why are we here? Why do people suffer? What is happiness?

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Kaya Mindlin: these kinds of questions, but I never said them out loud to anyone, because I never heard anyone outside my head asking these kinds of questions.

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Kaya Mindlin: And that led me to go and study sociology at university, because I thought all the answers would be in understanding, sort of, societal-level dynamics. And that led me to studying philosophy.

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Kaya Mindlin: And I ended up in a class, with a professor who was teaching religion, philosophy, Eastern philosophy, meditation, things like that.

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Kaya Mindlin: Turned out that he had a guru, in a Hindu lineage.

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Kaya Mindlin: and taught us to meditate as homework in one of these classes, and I fell in love with the Eastern teachings, philosophy, scripture, and the practice of meditation.

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Kaya Mindlin: Simultaneously, I had grown up being a dancer and an athlete, and very much doing things with my body. So when I then found out that there was an aspect of this tradition that had something to do with the body, I was, of course, very curious, so I went to my first asana class in a gym.

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Kaya Mindlin: when I was about 20, 21 years old, and completely fell in love. And I did have a moment lying there in the Shavasana, kind of guided awareness at the end. I had…

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Kaya Mindlin: Kind of a flash phrase that came up from inside that said, you’re going to teach this.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Mmm.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so after that, I just took every yoga class, did every yoga VHS video, they were VHS videos at the time.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I remember. I do.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right? I was just doing yoga all day in between working and

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Kaya Mindlin: I was supposed to go get my PhD in sociology and bailed on that program at the last minute in pursuit of studying yoga.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so I went on to go and go to yoga therapy school, and that led me to Ayurveda school, and that led me to Vedic astrology studies, and on and on. So, but it all started in university with these religion, philosophy, Eastern philosophy classes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s so interesting, because you came at it the exact opposite way from how most people

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Nyk Danu Yoga: come into yoga now. Most people, you know, they go to the gym, try their class, or they, you know, get dragged to a hot class or something.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And then later, as the spark continues, they start to dive into the…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The more esoteric and kind of inward journey.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So, I loved that. I wanted to touch on that part that you said you have…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: As a little, little girl, you had these, like, big questions.

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Kaya Mindlin: But, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Never asked anybody?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Just because you thought.

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Kaya Mindlin: I just thought…

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Kaya Mindlin: they were strange, and I probably could intuit that nobody that was in my world had answers to those questions, and…

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Kaya Mindlin: They felt very deep and very… private, almost?

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Kaya Mindlin: I think I was almost secretive about the fact that I was having

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Kaya Mindlin: those kinds of thoughts. And then I also had a

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Kaya Mindlin: childhood trauma, the loss of my father when I was 10 years old very suddenly, and I think as those who’ve had, you know, childhood traumas, sudden losses, things like that know, or can probably relate to, that

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Kaya Mindlin: kind of exacerbates various patterns, for better or worse, and I think that experience definitely caused me to ask those questions even more.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, of course.

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Kaya Mindlin: possible, and so on. So that kind of, I think, solidified that internal seeker in me, yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That’s very cool. I was also a child of intense, deep thoughts, but I said mine all out loud, and then made the adults around me very uncomfortable.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: How everything go with?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: 3 the first time I sat on Santa’s knee, and he asked what I wanted for Christmas, and I said, world peace.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right, yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I kept doing that until I was about 6, and then finally my mom took me aside and said.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Sweetheart, I don’t think that’s Santa’s department.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh.

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Kaya Mindlin: Shouldn’t it be?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I’m just supposed to ask for toys, then?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Lame, you know?

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Kaya Mindlin: Totally lame.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah, I came from a very, theatrical… my family’s very theatrical, everybody was… is a performer.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so there was a lot of say the funny things out loud, sing, there was a lot of expression, but there wasn’t a lot of…

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Kaya Mindlin: spoken…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: depth.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And then I think the second one was when I was, like, 6?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: in Canada at the time, I don’t know if… I don’t think they still do it now, because we’re still, apparently, still a colony from England. Right. Yeah. So we used to sing the anthem, and then God Save the Queen.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I would sing the anthem, and then I would sit down, and the teacher would get very irate with, why are you not standing up and singing God Save the Queen? And my little child brain was like, well, we don’t have a queen. We’re Canada, we have a prime minister. And then I said to her, and if we’re gonna sing to England’s queen, shouldn’t we sing to all the queens?

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Kaya Mindlin: Why she’s so special. Why not all.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: All of them, shouldn’t we be fair? You know? And so, yeah, to the office, so that was… I wasn’t quite smart enough to keep them in my head, I just… You were very… you were punk rock from… from the get. Yes, yes, yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, that’s wonderful. And so, tell me about your early…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: teacher, then? Like, when you… so you’re like, okay, I love this yoga stuff, now I want to become a teacher.

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Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Did you go to India first? Did you find someone locally first?

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Kaya Mindlin: What happened is, I was studying with anyone and everyone, and then I hitched a ride to… I was… I’m from the east coast of the U.S, I hitched a ride to Colorado, and then made friends with someone, and then I met his mother.

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Kaya Mindlin: And his mother said, you remind me of my yoga teacher. You should meet her someday, if ever you have the chance.

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Kaya Mindlin: And then I ended up getting all the way to California, and…

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Kaya Mindlin: this man’s mother called me and said, remember that teacher I told you about? She’s teaching a workshop down the street from where you’re living now, and you should go. So I went, and I took this workshop, and it was in

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Kaya Mindlin: the style that I ended up studying, it was… and it was very slow, very therapeutic. I was 23 years old, and I thought it was extremely boring. But I made a friend at the class, and she was in her 40s, and so she thought it was very compelling, because that is usually the time when you want to do slow practice.

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Kaya Mindlin: And, she said, let’s go find out more about this style, and I said, well, I…

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Kaya Mindlin: I don’t really care, and I’m in my 20s and have nothing else to do, and so, sure. So, we went and we explored this style of yoga that I ended up studying.

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Kaya Mindlin: And,

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Kaya Mindlin: I wasn’t sure about the slow pace. It was yoga therapy, and I wasn’t completely convinced about the pace of it, but what I loved was that it was very in-depth. Remember, I was supposed to go get my PhD, and so 200 hours just didn’t seem like anything. It was just a drop in the bucket, and so this was 750 hours to begin with.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Beautiful.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so, it was really about, for me at the time, it was about doing something that was super in-depth.

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Kaya Mindlin: And I really… the requirement as is with this kind of program was that you begin teaching essentially right away, so that you’re in the field, which does make sense. You’re really not a teacher yet, but you’re practicing in the field, and I think I had 3 students for a few years.

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Kaya Mindlin: But I really didn’t feel like I could claim the title teacher before that 750 hours. And then, now, even looking back, I’m like, can you really claim that at 750 hours either? I mean, I really think it takes, kind of.

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Kaya Mindlin: 12 years to get to that, you know, call-yourself-a-teacher place. But yeah, it was…

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Kaya Mindlin: less about a teacher than it was about the depth of study, and then that led to many, many more hours. That was really just the beginning, was that 750…

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Kaya Mindlin: hours, and the teachers that I really talk about as my core teachers now are really, back to my roots where I started yoga, are my gurus that really taught more Scripture.

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Kaya Mindlin: And those teachers were in India, and in the US, and in Canada, actually, interestingly, and those are my Tantra and Vedanta.

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Kaya Mindlin: gurus, that I learned more of the scriptural studies that are my heart, yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Mmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Beautiful.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, I was talking to somebody the other day about

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Nyk Danu Yoga: this, I was saying that most, what we call teacher training programs.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: are instructor training programs, not teacher training programs. Correct, I agree.

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Kaya Mindlin: I agree with that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I was lucky enough to have been teach… teaching a totally different material before I took my first teacher training, so there was some

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Nyk Danu Yoga: things I didn’t have to learn.

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Kaya Mindlin: Like…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: being comfortable standing at the room, projecting my voice, being able to see the room, to understand when people weren’t understanding what I was saying, and like, how could I rephrase that, or show it, or say it, and, like, all of that was already there, luckily.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so then it was just learning

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Nyk Danu Yoga: the asana, and… and still, I would say, for at least the first 8 years.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I was a yoga instructor.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, I did include meditation.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But I was… I was, you know, I was barking out alignment cues and, you know.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right, following up. Yeah, it’s interesting to hear you say that, because reflecting on that, thinking about my own background, you know, I had the background of doing theater, doing performance, doing dance, theatrical performances on stage, and I think

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Kaya Mindlin: being in front of a room and essentially doing a script came very easily. Having enough charisma, which you need to have charisma as a teacher.

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Kaya Mindlin: having, you know, being able to project my voice, being able to be comfortable having people look at me and tell them what to do, and there is an aspect of performance, I think, in teaching.

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Kaya Mindlin: anything. You know, you can be a lecturer, but a good lecturer needs to have a little bit of that entertainment factor.

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Kaya Mindlin: But that’s still different from what you… what I grew into, what you grew into as well, which is really being present to the people in the room, being responsive, seeing things, and letting teachings

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Kaya Mindlin: which doesn’t come at the beginning, you have to have them digested and assimilated, and then things come out of you spontaneously.

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Kaya Mindlin: I still always teach everything live. It just hasn’t worked for me to pre-record things, because for me, teaching is a relationship, and I need to see… even if some… many people are just following by recording, for me, when I’m teaching, I need that.

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Kaya Mindlin: Humanity and that seeing people and having the relationship there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I agree. Actually, it was interesting when I finally… I was hired briefly by a company to do some pre-recorded video.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And, had I not been a yoga instructor, air quotes, for so many years, there’s no way I could have done that. But I did have, like you said, the script, and this is where I say this, and now I, you know… but it left my soul

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Because I’m talking to a camera.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I was just like, I’m with you, I don’t… you know, people have asked me why I don’t put my trainings on, you know, online completely, and I’m like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because I… even if it’s online, I want to see your face, I want to, you know, read the room, even if it’s a Zoom room, I want to, you know, hear your questions, I want to know what I wasn’t… you know, like, it’s relational, 100% for me.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah, and that probably is the difference between teaching and instructing. Instructing need not be relational. It’s why I’ve never used the term cue. I’m not even sure, I don’t know about you, but I don’t think the word cue, it definitely wasn’t used when I was coming up and studying yoga. We never said cues. I heard that many, it was probably 10 years after I did training that I heard people using the term cue, which I thought was so funny because I knew it from theater.

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Kaya Mindlin: We’re not cueing people, we’re teaching people. We’re not doing… cueing sounds like choreography to me.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The other little nugget there that I thought, when you were just talking, that really, stood out to me is… and I can’t remember how you phrased it, so I’m going to paraphrase it and see if I get it close.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you should say this, or you should talk about this, or… and I… that had happened to me for probably about 3 years before I listened to them. I kept just going, shut up, back to hamstrings. Like, I just was, like, turning it off. I was like, nope.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Why in the world would I suddenly tell that story? That makes no sense, you know? Or, for years, I heard that I should chant to my students to bring them out of Shavasana.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: years I heard that in my head. I’m a former singer, so…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I stopped being so obsessed with the physical part, and all these so-called alignment rules that I had learned, in my… in my first tradition, and… and really, I think that’s when

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I started stepping into the role of the teacher. That and forgetting my lesson plan a few times, and having to go…

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah, that’ll do it. Go on the fly.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That’s so beautiful.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s beautiful to hear. I love hearing other teachers that have been teaching a long time and their journey from, sort of.

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Kaya Mindlin: And the time. It really does take time, and we’re, we’re, we’re such…

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Kaya Mindlin: I just waited a year, they tried to convince me to come, I’m waiting, I’m waiting, so when I finally got to that fourth segment, I was in a cohort then with another person who had sped through it. She had done it all in a year, and I had taken four years to do that first 750 hours.

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Kaya Mindlin: Even though we’ve done the same training, and I said, you know, the only reason I can think is that I took my time doing it, and you sped through it, and it’ll come.

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Kaya Mindlin: But the time… it doesn’t… the information, you know, that’s kind of a transactional idea about studying something, is, well, I got the information, what difference does it make how fast I get it? But there is this digestion and assimilation period that’s…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I remember, in my yoga therapy training, they would always have us do, at the end of the module, we had to do this, like, little practice teaching segment. Now, I will say, I had already been teaching for 13 years before I went there, so

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Nyk Danu Yoga: What do you mean, teach this information I just learned?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I have to meditate with it. I have to practice with it in my body. I have to sit with it for a while. I have to, like, come up with the words that feel like my words for… to describe… I was like, what do you mean, just teach it? Oh, you mean, like, robotically repeat what you just told me?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I do find, and I’m sure you find this too, although I have a feeling that you…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: teachers that are already wanting way more depth and to go slower than a lot of this sort of… what did somebody call it? A colleague the other day told me that

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Nyk Danu Yoga: it was the paper chasers that burned her out from training teachers, and I had never heard that before.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, she called them paper chasers, and I was like, what be a paper chaser? I do not know of this.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But I just essentially keep making mine longer.

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Kaya Mindlin: If they want that paper, I don’t.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: When I was in the yoga therapy program and teaching this, it was, like, two 20-hour modules, and I was… I was like, that’s… how can I do this in 20-hour modules, you know?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But I did my best to just kind of make it like an introduction, and then the first one I ran on my own was 50 hours, and as soon as I was done that, I was like, not long enough, and then 60, and then 80, and now we’re at 100, and I wouldn’t be surprised if…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It just keeps going from there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I spread it out over a season.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So in that 100 hours, it’s like fall, all of fall.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So that they have that time to come up with questions and review materials, and yeah, I mean, I’ve done immersive trainings.

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Kaya Mindlin: you’re building time into the process. I see if I can remember, my Joe Fisher teacher, he would say, how we learn is… depends on the teacher.

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Kaya Mindlin: Let’s see, you need the teacher.

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Kaya Mindlin: You need the Sangha, or the community of other students, you need the knowledge, and you need time.

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Kaya Mindlin: Those are, like, the four components to have you actually learn something, so you’re building it in.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Do you want to let, those… Do you want to let those know who may have heard you say Jota a couple times what that is? Because I will bet you there’s a… Oh, Jota, sorry, yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: percentage of yoga teachers that are, like, Googling right now, trying to spell that? Yeah. Okay.

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Kaya Mindlin: Jotisha, people will often translate, myself included, though it’s not exactly accurate, as Vedic astrology. It’s really astronomy.

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Kaya Mindlin: in the material realm, and then interpreting it in a meaningful way, and so it’s called Jyotisha, and it’s sort of like a skill of having what we would call divine eyes, an ability to see the unseeable by reading pattern.

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Kaya Mindlin: And the common application of it is the pattern… the patterns of the stars and planets.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And although this isn’t an episode on astrology, one thing I do know is that it is different from Western astrology.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And that sometimes your zodiac can change.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: When I had mine done, I’ve had it done twice now because I’m a… I, you know, like to make sure. I was gonna say I’m a skeptic. I’m not an astrology skeptic, but I’m just a, you know, practitioner.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So I was really curious to see, like, okay, is my zodiac gonna change? My sun sign did not. In fact, I was more Sagittarius.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So what it was is that I thought I was Sag, Sun, Cancer, Moon, Western.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Of course! And I was like, Gemini? Because anyone that I had known, and I’m gonna apologize right now to any of the Geminis out there, but maybe this is just my own experience, most of the Gemini women I knew

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Nyk Danu Yoga: that I was just like, which is it? Like, it was very… so frustrating to me, because there was that whole twinning, and I’d be like, I don’t understand, yesterday you literally said this, and now you’re saying something else. And so I just said to her, I was like, I don’t… no, I don’t think that could be right, and she said.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: says the punk rock yoga teacher, and I was like.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah. I mean, it’s more about what we call in Sanskrit dwifa. It’s an ability to be two things. It’s an ability to kind of straddle two things, or to have nuance, and it doesn’t necessarily mean this, like, twinning or being.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And that’s a very kind of Western way of looking at it. Sure. Western astrology is like, oh, I’m twinning, or I’m like, yeah. But yeah, when she said that, I was like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, okay, yeah, there’s… there is definitely dichotomy and comfort with it in me, that is for sure, yes. Yeah, interesting. Anyways, we digress. Was… now, I’m gonna say, oftentimes you hear it

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Nyk Danu Yoga: said as Yoga Nidra.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’ve been trying to correct myself, because of course I said it like everyone else did, the wrong way, for many years, into saying Yoga Nidra, but is that even correct? How do we say this?

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Kaya Mindlin: Okay, so, yeah, that’s… that’s pretty darn close, and those who are on YouTube can watch my mouth as well, so that can be helpful. So, yoga. Nobody really mispronounces yoga. So, yoga. And then, the next word, nidra.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: ta-da.

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Kaya Mindlin: Nidra. And then, really, this is a chanted language, and so there will be kind of a sing-songy pattern to it when you say the words together. Like that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So y’all can pause it, rewind, repeat after Kaya a few times. That will help. Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, they have these little pause and rewind buttons on podcasts. Yeah, so I know I’ve been trying, but again, I don’t have the tongue down.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah, and we do our best, and you know, it’s a skill, and again, it takes time if it’s not your native tongue, and not everybody, just like I say, you know, Sanskrit pronunciation is very much like music. Some people have more of a…

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Kaya Mindlin: skill and capacity to hear notes, to sing, to make sounds, to hear the difference, let alone pronounce the difference, and so it’s the same with Sanskrit. There’s going to be different capacities, so you do your best.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And then just, you know, when you learn you’re saying something wrong, just go, oh.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah, no shame, no problem.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’ve been doing that wrong the whole time. Yes, it’s the same, and I don’t use a lot of Mandarin terms when I teach, my yin yoga, because, again, don’t speak Mandarin, but, so for example, people will often think it’s yin-yang, and it’s.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: yang, but it’s also… I just recently learned, maybe a couple years ago, it’s not really either yin, that even the Y would be silent.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: with a Mandarin accent. I don’t do that, because then nobody literally knows what I’m talking about.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: In Yang or something. Yeah, in Yang, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it’s interesting when we try to, as Westerners, learn new languages.

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Kaya Mindlin: clients, and one of them… I would try to say words in, you know, Chinese, and she would say, stop it, don’t bother.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Thank you for trying. Please stop now. Let’s stop.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So one of the reasons I wanted to bring you on to talk about this topic, other than, of course, the fact that we’re friends and colleagues, was, so I had taken a yoga nidra training, working on that, okay, in my yoga therapy training, and I really, really loved it.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But it was very much like that teacher had kind of taken her training from

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And now his name is escaping me.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Is it Richard Miller, maybe?

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Kaya Mindlin: That sounds right.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: the guy that did a lot… he did a lot of stuff with veterans, and… Yeah. And so…

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Kaya Mindlin: It’s escaping me as well.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, I don’t… menopause brain, I’m gonna blame it on that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So, it’s like, as soon as the interview’s over, the name will pop right into my head.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so that was kind of a very, like… westernized, if that’s a word.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: form of that… that training. And so there was a lot more focus on, kind of, the…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And it was a short course, so, like, tiny, but more of the kind of, like, scientific aspect, and, like, trauma, and what populations you could use it for, that was kind of more of the framework than, like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: a more traditional, or… I don’t want to say authentic, but I’m gonna say authentic, and people can shoot me later. Authentic,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: way of learning it. And so, when I learned, and I remember it too, clearly, because it was, like, the beginning of what I now call the… because I hate saying the word COVID,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It was the beginning, and you were offering it online, and we were all sheltering in place.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so I was like, heck yeah, I’m gonna sign up for this course. And so I took your training, which I loved. I remember it very clearly, too, because we were living downstairs, and we had very deep windowsills, and I didn’t have a desk for my laptop, so I would tuck my laptop, like, into the windowsill and, like, sit on my bed, for our.

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Kaya Mindlin: What a perfect place to take a yoga Nidra program in your bed.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Well, I mean, we were both home at some point, and we only had a one-bedroom at that point, so it was like, well, how do I, you know, how do I navigate this? I know a lot of people can identify with that.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, and I really, really loved, the training, and I feel like it’s the kind of thing that I could take probably, like, 5 to 6 more trainings.

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Kaya Mindlin: before.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: before I ever felt like I could, like, fully check that off the list, so to speak.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I would… I’d love for you to just talk a little bit about, first of all, like, what is it? Because some people will say it’s sleep, some people say it’s meditation, some people would say it’s, like, if sleep and meditation had a baby. What exactly is it?

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Kaya Mindlin: Okay.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yoga Nidra, it’s actually in the word, so it is…

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Kaya Mindlin: We’ll put it simply, and then we can kind of unpack it, of course. So, Yoga Nidra, we can say, is the deep sleep state. So, first of all, it’s important to know that it’s not the name of the technique, although

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Kaya Mindlin: We do use it as shorthand, we’ll say a yoga nidra practice, but really, it’s technically not the name of the technique. It’s the name of a potential state of consciousness in which you are in the deep sleep state, in terms of the brain waves and the body.

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Kaya Mindlin: With your own personal awareness retained.

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Kaya Mindlin: So it is conscious, deep, Sleep.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, I love that.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And that state is elusive.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Because I know, many times, this is why I don’t do yoga Nidra classes in public anymore, because I will go from there to sleep very quickly, which means now there’s snoring, and I’m now potentially affecting my karma. So, I do it at home in private. But,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I do know the state that you speak of.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Because I have…

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Kaya Mindlin: I have had that in that practice, where it’s like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, I’m so…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I don’t even know the word, sort of relaxed and, like, swimming in the universe right now, and I’m completely aware of what the teacher is saying at the same time.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah, it’s very unique.

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Kaya Mindlin: It is unique, and yes, if you’re doing a guided practice, you… it is elusive, as you said, you may or may not go into that state, you may come in and out of that state, and you may be in other states of consciousness that are very beneficial, but aren’t Yoga Nidra state, so you could fall asleep.

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Kaya Mindlin: It’s very beneficial to sleep. We know how beneficial sleep is. The ancients have described it, and modern neuroscientists describe the benefits of sleep, and so on.

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Kaya Mindlin: You could be in the dream state, also very beneficial, very healing. You could be in a reverie state, which is, like, a lot of people will call it the snooze button state. It’s that.

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Kaya Mindlin: quite asleep, and you’re not quite awake, and you’re not quite dreaming, you’re something in between, kind of a transitional reverie place, which is very blissful. That’s why people love that snooze button. They’re always like, why is that the best sleep? Because you’re not really sleeping, you’re in a reverie state.

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Kaya Mindlin: So, all of those are very healing, very beneficial, can be very blissful, and they’re not the Yoga Nidra state. And so, yeah, that Yoga Nidra state

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Kaya Mindlin: In the course, one of the ways that I describe it, because it’s hard to describe it.

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Kaya Mindlin: It is like you are in a…

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Kaya Mindlin: And there’s no light.

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Kaya Mindlin: and you go into that closet, and you close your eyes, and that is like unconscious deep sleep. You’re in nothingness, and you’re unconscious, you’re non-seeing. And then you open your eyes in that same environment. What do you see?

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Kaya Mindlin: Nothing. But you’re seeing.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: conscious.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Interesting.

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Kaya Mindlin: Then we can get into, well, why would you want to go into that state? And there we look at the ancient scriptures, which describe that the deep sleep state is under the jurisdiction of

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Kaya Mindlin: what we can call the karana Sharira in Sanskrit, meaning the causal body.

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Kaya Mindlin: The realm of the unseeable, and it is the… it is the place where we can say the…

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Kaya Mindlin: samskada, another Sanskrit word, it means the seeds of karma are living. So the unseeable seeds of your karmas, the thing that’s behind… the things that are behind

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Kaya Mindlin: Your thoughts, and your…

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Kaya Mindlin: desires and your tendencies. What’s behind that

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Kaya Mindlin: is these samskadas, these karmic seeds. They, so to speak, live in the Karana Sharira. So they’re not quite seeable, but they’re there.

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Kaya Mindlin: They’re more subtle than subtle.

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Kaya Mindlin: And in that Yoga Nidra place, why we want to go into the Yoga Nidra state is because this is where the

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Kaya Mindlin: unseeable seeds of Gautama reside in

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Kaya Mindlin: And then we can, so to speak, work with them.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: See that.

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Kaya Mindlin: On some level, and so in that state, though you’re not Doing anything because you’re asleep.

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Kaya Mindlin: But something happens wherein difficult karmic seeds that want to be burnt, we can say, so they don’t further grow, or resolved, can be resolved or burnt. And also, we have positive kartamic seeds that we might want to nurture and nourish, auspicious.

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Kaya Mindlin: seeds that will lead to auspicious tendencies, that lead to auspicious thoughts and actions. So it is in the yoga nidra state that we can work with. Work is a weird… it’s not accurate exactly, but we can be with these seeds of karma.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Very cool.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m sure you said all of that the first time I took the training, but now that… I was gonna say, but now hearing it again, this is why.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Do your team.

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Kaya Mindlin: Come again! I mean, even that’s, you know, that was an older iteration of the course, an older iteration of the teacher, or younger iteration of the teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It changes, it changes. I know, this is why teachers, we take things more than one time, because…

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Kaya Mindlin: We keep going over and over and over again. In fact, I remember going to, you know, a course with one of my gurus, and someone said, oh, you’re back again? You did this course, like, so many times. What are you, stuck in a rut? I said, no, I’m not stuck in a rut, I’m digging a well.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And it’s different each time.

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Kaya Mindlin: Different each time. Teacher’s different.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Your difference…

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Kaya Mindlin: different.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes. I think we’ve all had that experience where we’ve been in a teacher’s class that we’ve studied with many times, and they say something that all of a sudden kind of makes you up a little, or, like, shifts the paradigm, and you’re like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That thing that you said, and they’re like, yeah, I say that every time.

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Kaya Mindlin: I say it every time!

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Nyk Danu Yoga: This time, I heard it for some reason, you know? Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh. Yeah.

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Kaya Mindlin: And, you know, what I was just talking about, the definition of what is Yoga Nidra and the purpose of it.

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Kaya Mindlin: Kind of working with these secrets within.

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Kaya Mindlin: is a little bit of the explanation of why Yoga Nidra is not

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Kaya Mindlin: Meditation is not relaxation as beneficial as meditation and relaxation are, and as much as those things may occur spontaneously when you’re doing a guided awareness.

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Kaya Mindlin: In meditation, and in relaxation, and in sleep, and in all the reverie, we don’t have access to those karmic seeds, though many other beneficial things happen.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So it really is sort of like… As far as the yoga… practices go.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Its own special unicorn.

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Kaya Mindlin: It’s its own special… unicorn.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

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Kaya Mindlin: Which is why, you know, it so beautifully stands alone, and it is so beautifully compatible with other practices, and it’s…

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Kaya Mindlin: you know, kind of what I think of as my sort of specialty, it is really a place where accessible and advanced merge.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s both.

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Kaya Mindlin: And everything in between.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, yes, that’s very true. I know that when I… when I guide, I think most of my students are either experiencing the kind of thinking mind while they’re there, or they experience the sleep.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But I do know that some of them, do…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: grace that… the place that you were speaking of, just by… and not every time, of course.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: One thing that really struck me

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Nyk Danu Yoga: When you were talking about these seeds.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And how this is the place where, like, they can be burnt away, or they can, you know, that this is the… this is the…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s the processing place of these… of these seeds. It’s, like, not the best word, but, you know, sometimes… sometimes the poetic words escape me for a while.

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Kaya Mindlin: Sort of the… it’s the soil where these seeds are.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, yeah, yeah, and then you can be like, Not the seed, the seed.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: One thing that is, and I want to just tell everybody, the reason that,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I wanted to have Kaya on to talk about this, is we do have a mutual student that asked the question, can you do yin yoga and yoga nidra? And Kaya was like, I know nothing of yin yoga, so I cannot answer that question. And so I thought, well, what a perfect conversation we could have, because

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I know… I know yin yoga. And what I was thinking of, one parallel, but in a very more conscious and superficial way.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: is that when people practice yin.

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Kaya Mindlin: Assuming the teacher.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: is… Comfortable and competent enough to hold brave, quiet space.

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Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And to let… Whatever is gonna come up for people come up without

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Nyk Danu Yoga: judging it, or fixing it, or changing it, or all the things, that it’s a far more obviously conscious way, but I mean, that is one of the things that people find, not the physical poses, because

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Nyk Danu Yoga: If you’re doing yin well, those shouldn’t be extreme. So it’s not the, you know, it’s not the sensations of the pose, although we do feel them. But often, the challenge for students is this still quiet time, where they are left with nothing but their mind.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And their emotions, and their obsessive thought patterns, and…

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Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: All of that. And so it almost really just shines a light on, like, what’s always there.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: While you’re walking down the street, doing your groceries. Those same repetitive, obsessive thoughts are there, you’re just not aware of them until you slow down and then go, oh…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I think all the time, you know, like, and it’s the same stuff, and… or, you know, of course, other things can come up, memories, emotions, you know, things like that, but it’s done in a very, like, awake

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Nyk Danu Yoga: state. Right. And, so, like, I was thinking of it, I was like, so it’s like…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s almost like,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I sometimes say that yin yoga is, like, the gateway drug to some of these more meditative states, because people will do it that won’t do the

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Other quieter practices yet.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right? Because they’re still doing something with the body.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Kaya Mindlin: So it feels a little bit like you can accomplish something, or…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And it’s 5 minutes, you know, they’re only left there in the pose quietly for 5 minutes, it’s not, you know, an hour, or… and so it’s, like, bite-sized.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: attempts. But yeah, so I often say it is a gateway drug to these you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: quieter practices that tend to be more excavating, even so. Like, on a unconscious level, whereas when we’re in yin, it’s mostly conscious-level stuff, although there are things that are perhaps in your unconscious mind that you weren’t aware of until you sit still and quiet, and then it becomes a conscious thought.

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Kaya Mindlin: Alright, similar to a guided awareness, where we’re usually starting with the material, we’re starting conscious and, you know, guiding the material body, and then it kind of trails into the depths, and then into the silence. It’s similar, I would imagine, to maybe a yin pose, where you’re working with the material, and then you’re progressively left there in progressive

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Kaya Mindlin: quietude, and it makes sense.

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Kaya Mindlin: too, that… perhaps people that are attracted to Yin being a slower, more receptive practice.

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Kaya Mindlin: quieter practice would also be attracted to or resonate with Yoga Nidra.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I have noticed with Yoga nidra practitioners.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: teachers, that some styles are very… and teachers, perhaps, and I don’t know if it’s lineage or just personal.

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Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, what we come into it with. Very just kind of simple, like, like, it’s body scan, but it’s not super,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You know, like, and then there’s some where it’s, like, every single word they say is a poem.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And everything has a visual. And do you know what I mean? Like, there seems to be these two, kind of.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: styles.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And, I’ll just out myself as a practitioner, I actually do better with the more kind of physical body scan, maybe a little bit more practical verbiage, because I’m a very visual person.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: If someone’s describing things very poetically, now I’m up in my head, actually picturing everything they’re saying, instead of kind of…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: dropping in. It was the same reason why when I used to study meditation with my primary teacher, whenever we would move into the visualization ones, where we were to look at a picture and then recreate it in our mind, it was never a great style for me, because I’d be like, done, now what?

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Right. Whereas other people would struggle to recreate those things. So I find if somebody’s talking in a…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: in almost in a quite a poetic way. I mean, I think it’s beautiful, but it doesn’t really allow me to go deep as well, as if there was just a little bit less.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: descriptive words, I guess you could say.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yeah, it makes sense. And, you know, in general with teaching, and definitely with Yoga Nidra, maybe more than any other, you know, aspect of teaching.

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Kaya Mindlin: or component, you know, I… I will often say to teachers, you know, you want to be responsible.

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Kaya Mindlin: And… out of the way.

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Kaya Mindlin: as possible.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so that people can have, you know, so students can have their experience. And so, though, as you know, in my Yoga Nidra training, I guide

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Kaya Mindlin: after we do a lot of teaching about what we’re doing, and so on, then I teach how to write your own script, because within the container of the purpose, there is a lot of diversity of expression, at least in the approach that I have, in how that can be executed.

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Kaya Mindlin: And there is a place for a little more language, but we have to be really careful about overdoing it, and sometimes it’s just…

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Kaya Mindlin: the teacher falling in love with language, and I often find, too, when the teacher is so in love with a certain phrase, or, you know, that’s usually a tell that it’s in the way, that it’s a distraction, or that it’s pulling people out of the experience.

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Kaya Mindlin: But there is a range there for what would work for different people. Like I said, you know, Yoga Nidra is the… is the state of consciousness, and the guided awareness, we can say, is the technique, or the vehicle. So just like lots of different vehicles.

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Kaya Mindlin: can take us to a destination, right? There’s lots of different techniques that have the potential, nothing can promise or guarantee it, but different techniques have the potential to be a vehicle to the Yoganidra state, but not all vehicles are right for all terrains.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right? And you can think of yourself as a terrain, and you have to know, as you’re knowing, what kind of vehicle

471
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Kaya Mindlin: works for your terrain as a vehicle to the Yoganidra state.

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Kaya Mindlin: Which is beautiful to see it, you know, like you’re doing, you’re saying, this doesn’t work for me, and that’s good to know. Instead of saying, well, that works for so-and-so, what’s wrong with me that it doesn’t work? You know, and that comes from maturity that you have, but, you know, some people might say, well, that’s a very popular style, everybody else seems to like it and do it, and it doesn’t work for me.

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Kaya Mindlin: Well, that’s because it’s not the right vehicle for your terrain. And also, sometimes it’s done badly. I mean, there’s plenty of…

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Kaya Mindlin: People claiming to be expert in something, or trying something, and it’s really not an effective vehicle.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

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Kaya Mindlin: Also true, can be true.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And if I didn’t know that I am such a visual person, I probably wouldn’t have the…

478
00:53:45.690 –> 00:53:52.169
Nyk Danu Yoga: awareness to say, okay, that style isn’t for me. Maybe I would be a little harder on myself and be like, why isn’t this working?

479
00:53:52.630 –> 00:53:59.520
Nyk Danu Yoga: why don’t I love this the way everyone else does? But it’s only because I have that prior meditation experience that I know

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Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, That you know what works, so then you.

481
00:54:02.520 –> 00:54:05.430
Kaya Mindlin: You know what doesn’t work, and you know what your…

482
00:54:05.580 –> 00:54:10.980
Kaya Mindlin: What you are capable of, or the places that you have been before in terms of your interior.

483
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Kaya Mindlin: And so you know that it’s there waiting for you, and so you can tell when something isn’t… isn’t working.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Feeling words work well for me.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Visual.

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Kaya Mindlin: sting.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, sensing and feeling works well for me. Visualizing just pulls me up into my head again, and now I’m actually a picture of it. I’m similar in terms of visualization does not work for me, but it’s actually because I’m bad at visualizing.

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Kaya Mindlin: So then I end up in a thinking place, which is different from visualizing.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Right.

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Kaya Mindlin: And that’s out of the body. So I, you know, I personally do use, at the beginning stages of a guided awareness, a lot of sensing, because you want to, in my opinion and experience, you want to be in your body.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so you’re sensing your body, which is here and now in the present moment, and then, you know, on the inside, and this is probably where a lot of that visualization stuff maybe comes from, when you go deeply within, you are in an entire universe.

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Kaya Mindlin: Where the ancient scriptures describe all of the deities are there, and all the seas and oceans and rivers and mountains are there as well, the gods and goddesses, all the elements, everything is there, and so…

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Kaya Mindlin: the visualization is, you know, has the potential to tap into that, or naming things has the potential, but I do think if you are going to do that, in my opinion, you still need to start with the sensing, so that it’s very embodied and interior, and not

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Kaya Mindlin: Exterior visualizing, because it is a practice of interiorization.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: That is… thank you. That is… was so perfectly put.

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Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And yeah, it definitely has been my experience.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: yeah, very, very interesting.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I would say that,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: for me, anyways, I think most of the teachers that I have met, if they’re newer to guiding these kinds of practices, things like body scans and keeping it more of the body is actually easier.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Than trying to…

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Kaya Mindlin: Totally. Rephrase everything and come up with the most… Keep it simple.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: meaningful word you can think of for everything, and I’m sure.

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Kaya Mindlin: Bye.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It comes from time, right?

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Kaya Mindlin: I mean, I like to say, be boring.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, be boring. I love it.

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Kaya Mindlin: You don’t want to be inter… you’re not going to entertain people to sleep, and we are putting people to sleep. It’s just that it’s conscious, deep.

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Kaya Mindlin: Sleep!

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Kaya Mindlin: And so, you know, I have two children, they still like me to stay in bed with them and put them to sleep every night, and you know, they want…

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Kaya Mindlin: there’s a certain pattern that we like to follow as the routine, and, you know, if I’m rubbing my son’s back, he doesn’t want me to move all over the place, you know, he wants there to be this…

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Kaya Mindlin: Abyasa, you know, in Sanskrit, repetition. We want a pattern, we want a repetition. We also want to sense and land in the body. We want to feel comfortable. We want the lighting to be just so. You know, to fall asleep, we kind of need things to be just so. We don’t want a lot of distraction and change… changefulness, and we don’t want to be entertained.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so, when I’m working with students’ scripts, there is a lot of…

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Kaya Mindlin: You said it this way before, and that works, just keep saying it that way, over and over again. You don’t need to say it differently.

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Kaya Mindlin: Every time. Stick with it, be boring, be repetitive, because it takes us in very, very deep. I mean, it’s the same with asana, you know?

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Kaya Mindlin: You can teach the same sequence

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Kaya Mindlin: I mean, like, I don’t know whether you do this in Yin, but in my approach, sometimes what I do is I teach a sequence, and then in the same class, I teach the exact same sequence again.

518
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Kaya Mindlin: Like, back-to-back rep…

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00:58:07.330 –> 00:58:16.830
Kaya Mindlin: sequence, and it takes people very deep, and I don’t need to say as much the second time through the sequence, and we’re, like, layering in a pattern.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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Kaya Mindlin: And it takes us inside. And so, the Yoga Nidra, guided aware… a script that guides people, potentially, as a vehicle into that state, I think needs simplicity and repetition, and as I said, you have to be a little bit

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Kaya Mindlin: boring. Which is also hard for new teachers. You know, they want to, like, show all their tricks and entertain, and there’s a little more insecurity, which is normal.

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Kaya Mindlin: new to something, and then I think the more experience you get as a teacher, the more comfortable you are with

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Kaya Mindlin: Doing the same thing over and over again, and trusting that repetition is actually very deep, and what’s what we crave as human beings, actually, is a lot of repetition.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I love that you said, be boring, because I’m constantly telling the trainers that I, the teacher trainers that I work with, too, the same in Yin.

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Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I did a whole episode called Yin Yoga is not entertainment, because, you know, it’s like… but there is a certain… and I’m gonna have to do an episode where I explain this, because someone was offended by my use of the term a vinyasa bunny.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But it’s… I’m thinking of it like… like a ski bunny, you know? Like, the one who goes down the bunny hills, and like.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: There’s… it’s that kind of a thing. There is a certain…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Experience level of teacher, or just where they’re at in their life, that does go to yoga to be entertained.

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Kaya Mindlin: Sure.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You know, and they go to the classes typically where it’s, like, it’s a totally different sequence each time, and it’s more choreography than yoga, and it’s got a pump and playlist, and they never know what’s coming next, and it’s… it’s that… if that is coming to my class.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: They’re gonna find it boring.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But, I always say it’s my job as the teacher, then.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: To identify that, actually, this isn’t a boring practice, we’re just moving you from your external environment to your internal landscape.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And so it’s subtle, But all… there’s lots going on in here.

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Kaya Mindlin: There’s nothing boring at all. There’s nothing boring going on in there, yes. Totally, it’s very true. In the inner landscape, it’s not boring at all, but we have to… but the techniques to get there are…

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Kaya Mindlin: Boring in that, yeah, they’re repetitive and simple.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

543
01:00:40.780 –> 01:00:42.950
Nyk Danu Yoga: So beautiful.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: what would you say… how often then, because you’re talking about being boring, which I love,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: because I noticed for myself that I really only change… like, I teach registered semesters, so it’s the same people for

546
01:00:58.370 –> 01:01:08.780
Nyk Danu Yoga: 10 to 12 weeks, depending when… where Easter is. And I tend to only change my nidra practice seasonally.

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01:01:09.020 –> 01:01:09.960
Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

548
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Nyk Danu Yoga: And I do pull in some kind of seasonal elements to it.

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01:01:14.130 –> 01:01:14.780
Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: You know, I might say in fall, I might use the word, you know, letting go.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: For example.

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Kaya Mindlin: You know?

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01:01:23.100 –> 01:01:32.030
Nyk Danu Yoga: how often… because I know that there are teachers out there right now that feel pressured to come up with a brand new Yoga Nidra script for every single class.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But remember, Kai said, be boring.

555
01:01:36.500 –> 01:01:37.570
Nyk Danu Yoga: So…

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Kaya Mindlin: Tell those teachers something.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, please do.

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Kaya Mindlin: I did the same exact script.

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Kaya Mindlin: In every class, at the beginning and the end, usually, of every class, for 10 years.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: average.

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Kaya Mindlin: changed it.

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Kaya Mindlin: And it was the same… sometimes the students were coming two, three times a week to classes.

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Kaya Mindlin: So how many, you know, you do the math, 6 times a week, they were hearing that same… never once did anyone say, this is boring, and maybe they were thinking it, but so what, because it’s meant to be. And then over time, I abandoned that script.

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Kaya Mindlin: as the only thing I ever did, and I moved into, you know, expanding it in different ways. But even now, I have a bunch of yoga nudras, or a handful anyway, on SoundCloud.

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Kaya Mindlin: And I have students

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01:02:34.540 –> 01:02:45.090
Kaya Mindlin: that, for 5 years, have been doing the same Nidra guided awareness on SoundCloud, the same one recording every night.

567
01:02:46.540 –> 01:02:48.679
Kaya Mindlin: So, I think…

568
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Kaya Mindlin: there’s… yes, repeat the same script. If it works, it works, and I also love some degree of entertainment. I’ve never really sat down and thought about a percentage, but to go, you know, to stick with this kind of repetition versus entertainment

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Kaya Mindlin: conversation.

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Kaya Mindlin: you have to enter… there has to be some entertainment. We said that at the beginning. You know, there is a performative aspect to being a good teacher.

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Kaya Mindlin: Yoga Nidra less so, but, you know, I love the idea of changing it seasonally, or changing it for a block, or changing it by the theme, if you’re, you know, doing Yoga Nidra combined with, say, an asana practice or something like that.

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Kaya Mindlin: or some of my students do guided yoga Nidra scripts personalized for clients. Like, I have a student who’s an Ayurvedic practitioner.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so she will make a script and then audio record it for her different clients, depending on their needs. And then they will just listen to that audio recording every day. So there’s a lot of different ways, I think, to have variety, which isn’t, you know, think about variety is built into nature.

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Kaya Mindlin: We crave variety as human beings, but we also crave repetition. Think about when you go to your favorite restaurant, what do you do?

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Kaya Mindlin: You order the same damn thing every time. And even on the waiting of the restaurant, you might be thinking, maybe I’m gonna change it up.

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Kaya Mindlin: You know, and then you get there, and what do you do? You’re like, oh, but I want that same thing, that’s why I come here. So, we crave that repetition, and it’s funny you mentioned the seasonal, because I was gonna say.

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Kaya Mindlin: Even with how we would eat, if we were really eating, you know, traditionally, what would you do? You would eat what comes in the season.

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Kaya Mindlin: And you would eat the hell out of it for that season.

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Kaya Mindlin: And then you don’t look at it again until that season comes back. So you repeat, so there’s repetition inbuilt, but then by the season, there’s also variety.

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Kaya Mindlin: built in to us naturally, and we are… we are nature. So finding something seasonal, whether it’s the literal seasons, or whether it’s 12 weeks, or 6 weeks, or something.

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Kaya Mindlin: And sticking with that repetition that’s reliable, that takes people really deep, and then building… and then building in variety by changing it here and there.

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Kaya Mindlin: Depending on the class, or the purpose, or the student, I think it’s a good balance of that.

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Kaya Mindlin: variety and… Symmetry and variety, yeah.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I loved that you talked about the favorite restaurant thing. I thought that that was just me, I thought…

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01:05:27.530 –> 01:05:30.429
Nyk Danu Yoga: other people order other things, and I’m like, no, why, why would I…

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01:05:30.430 –> 01:05:31.110
Kaya Mindlin: everyone.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Why would I mess with it? I mean, if I’m new somewhere, and I haven’t found my favorite thing, sure, I’ll try some things, but once I found it, that’s it.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Also, I think that sometimes, you know, just from a neurological and nervous system

589
01:05:43.990 –> 01:05:51.729
Nyk Danu Yoga: response aspect, I think people don’t realize sometimes, teachers don’t realize, that actually repetition allows people to feel safe.

590
01:05:51.970 –> 01:05:54.479
Nyk Danu Yoga: Because they know what’s coming.

591
01:05:54.640 –> 01:05:57.549
Nyk Danu Yoga: So they can relax in a deeper way.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Than if they didn’t. This is why people watch their favorite movie and their favorite TV show over and over again, or read the same book that they love so much more than once. It’s because that familiarity and knowing what’s coming is like a soothing thing as well.

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Kaya Mindlin: incredibly calming and grounding and landing, which is, you know, the basis of Yoga Nidra.

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01:06:20.690 –> 01:06:22.710
Kaya Mindlin: is landing.

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01:06:23.030 –> 01:06:29.379
Kaya Mindlin: Without landing, just like the basis of going to sleep is you need to lie down.

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01:06:30.110 –> 01:06:43.219
Kaya Mindlin: You have to land to go to sleep, and as you say, that, repetition is essential, reliable, knowing what’s coming, and no surprises.

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01:06:43.960 –> 01:06:59.470
Kaya Mindlin: is very calming and grounding and landing to the nervous system. So while in Yoga Nidra, we’re going to land the body in Shavasana, or some variation of that, where you’re totally supported and landed physically, we also land

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Kaya Mindlin: Internally, in terms of the nervous system and so on, as you’re saying, with that reliable, familiar repetition.

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Kaya Mindlin: The pacing of the voice has to be reliable, the tone of the voice reliable. All of that we want… yeah, we want it to be boring, because that helps the nervous system land, which is the basis

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Kaya Mindlin: of Yoga Nidra. Without that, it’s not possible.

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Kaya Mindlin: It’s true.

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01:07:29.220 –> 01:07:30.950
Nyk Danu Yoga: Talk about voice for a moment.

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Kaya Mindlin: Hmm.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I find, because I’m a former singer, that I just instinctively know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: when to drop an octave, when to… it just is, like, it’s not something I had to think about.

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Kaya Mindlin: Right.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Probably also comes from my colorful upbringing and the fact that I was the one who would go into each room and be like, okay, how is everybody? What do I need to do to make everybody okay? You know, it’s that too. But I know that

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Nyk Danu Yoga: A lot of teachers will struggle with,

609
01:08:05.160 –> 01:08:08.080
Nyk Danu Yoga: Having a voice that is projected and.

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Kaya Mindlin: Click.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And yet… resonant enough

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01:08:14.340 –> 01:08:19.850
Nyk Danu Yoga: that people can… so, like, how do we find… I’m asking you because I don’t know how to guide people on how to find…

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01:08:19.850 –> 01:08:20.539
Kaya Mindlin: explain that.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

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01:08:21.229 –> 01:08:28.569
Kaya Mindlin: So, when… when I’m teaching Yoga Nidra, there’s a couple things that I talk about.

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Kaya Mindlin: And…

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Kaya Mindlin: So I say, you want to have your natural voice. It should sound natural. A lot of people, when they’re doing a guided awareness, they shift into a robotic.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Especially if they’re reading their script, you have to… and it… sometimes you have to read your script. I did that for years.

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Kaya Mindlin: And you can sound robotic when you’re reading, have, like, a reading voice. So you have to be careful not to sound robotic or mechanical. You also have to avoid going into that flight attendant voice, and now you’re going to notice.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh.

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Kaya Mindlin: And now, just bring your attention up to your ankles, right? You cannot do flight attendant voice, it’s not natural, and we know instinctively the nervous system knows what’s natural, and the nervous system coils against

622
01:09:20.630 –> 01:09:25.570
Kaya Mindlin: Something that feels or sounds unnatural, and sound…

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Kaya Mindlin: of all of the senses is the most sensitive and the most expansive, so I don’t know about in yin, but in Vedic tradition, we say that sound is

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Kaya Mindlin: the sense that is associated with the element of space, which is the most expansive, and we want that space element for Yoga Nidhara, because we want to go into the internal space.

625
01:09:49.130 –> 01:09:54.370
Kaya Mindlin: So sound is so… Important, and we’re sensitive to sound.

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01:09:54.410 –> 01:10:03.260
Kaya Mindlin: So, you have to sound natural, not mechanical, and not, flight attendant-y, or whatever that kind of tone is.

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Kaya Mindlin: And not too high, and not too low. It has to be in the range of your own natural registers. Some people have higher registers, some lower register. It has to be within that range. Don’t go lower than how you would, you know, and don’t go higher.

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Kaya Mindlin: And then within that, yes, as you said, you have to project.

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Kaya Mindlin: And again, I’ll revert to what the Vedic tradition says about this, which is that

630
01:10:29.410 –> 01:10:32.240
Kaya Mindlin: The… a lie comes from the throat.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Mmm.

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01:10:33.070 –> 01:10:37.970
Kaya Mindlin: The truth comes from the belly, from the knobby, the belly button.

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Kaya Mindlin: And so you know this as… with a singing background. If you’re projecting your voice, if you’re singing and you want the singing to sound authentic and sustainable and have a rich sound, you cannot sing from your throat. If I talk from my throat right now, it’s gonna sound like that, and then I have to raise the volume.

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01:10:55.320 –> 01:11:02.060
Kaya Mindlin: Right? To project. If you speak from your throat, you have to turn up the volume.

635
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Kaya Mindlin: to project it. If you speak from the belly, you can have an as-though soft tone and as-though-quiet tone, but it projects, and that takes some training and actually.

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01:11:16.330 –> 01:11:23.699
Kaya Mindlin: since this is an adult-only podcast, I’ll share this. My sister had nodes on her vocal cords when we were.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: when she was.

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Kaya Mindlin: a teenager, because we grew up singing, our mom is a professional singer, and my sister also did a lot of screaming as a teenager, so she developed nodes on her vocal cords, and she went to see a vocal coach.

639
01:11:38.310 –> 01:11:41.050
Kaya Mindlin: And the vocal coach would say.

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01:11:41.410 –> 01:11:47.000
Kaya Mindlin: She had a thick accent, and she would say, sing from the vagina!

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01:11:48.850 –> 01:11:51.410
Nyk Danu Yoga: Actually, that makes a lot of sense.

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01:11:51.410 –> 01:11:51.970
Kaya Mindlin: Yeah.

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01:11:52.430 –> 01:11:53.130
Nyk Danu Yoga: Pelvic floor.

644
01:11:53.130 –> 01:11:54.970
Kaya Mindlin: Don’t speak from the tailbone.

645
01:11:54.970 –> 01:11:59.580
Nyk Danu Yoga: the pelvic floor and diaphragm connection, I mean, that makes… that makes a lot of sense.

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01:11:59.580 –> 01:12:05.439
Kaya Mindlin: So I think, you know, to help with that, for those who struggle with that, and I think it’s good for everybody.

647
01:12:05.630 –> 01:12:09.190
Kaya Mindlin: When you’re guiding, a guided awareness.

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01:12:09.580 –> 01:12:16.270
Kaya Mindlin: You need your body to feel comfortable, and you need your spine to be upright. You ought not be lying down.

649
01:12:16.320 –> 01:12:35.209
Kaya Mindlin: You ought not be slumping and slouching, but you ought also not be in a rigid position, so get your yoga props, sit on a bolster or some folded blankets, prop your knees, or if you are better off standing than stand.

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Kaya Mindlin: What is a position in which you can be upright, torso, and relaxed? If you have to sit in a chair, that’s your best yoga prop for being able to speak naturally, but also project and have a soothing, smooth tone, then sit in a chair, doesn’t matter, those are all vehicles.

651
01:12:53.470 –> 01:12:57.440
Kaya Mindlin: To get you to that destination of that voice that’s effective.

652
01:12:57.670 –> 01:12:59.930
Kaya Mindlin: as the vehicle for Yoga Nidra.

653
01:13:00.050 –> 01:13:04.350
Kaya Mindlin: There was something else I was gonna say about the voice.

654
01:13:05.710 –> 01:13:15.309
Kaya Mindlin: Which just is… oh, what I was gonna say is, you kind of want to use the voice that you would use if you were helping a child fall asleep.

655
01:13:17.250 –> 01:13:22.350
Nyk Danu Yoga: Right? You want to have that motherly or fatherly, loving.

656
01:13:22.510 –> 01:13:29.129
Kaya Mindlin: Tone, which isn’t condescending, because children don’t want to be condescended to either any more than adults do.

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Kaya Mindlin: But that tone that a good parent would use, putting a child to sleep, is natural.

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Kaya Mindlin: and soothing, but then because it’s a class, you want to project. And there’s one more tip.

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Kaya Mindlin: which you would have learned in the Yoga Nidhara program, which is if you’re having students lie in Shavasana for a guided awareness, have their heads toward you, and their feet away from you. If their feet are towards you, it’s literally blocking the sound. If their heads are toward you, then the sound of your voice will kind of wash over their heads.

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Kaya Mindlin: So…

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01:14:05.400 –> 01:14:09.570
Nyk Danu Yoga: Teach heads towards me, period, the end, full stop, always, but…

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01:14:09.570 –> 01:14:09.950
Kaya Mindlin: relate.

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01:14:09.950 –> 01:14:12.679
Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, that’s… that might be a podcast episode for.

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Kaya Mindlin: That’s a good tip. Where are you, and where are your students? Yes, that would be great.

665
01:14:18.300 –> 01:14:19.240
Kaya Mindlin: Conversation.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: The other thing I wanted to address before we kinda…

667
01:14:22.930 –> 01:14:28.830
Nyk Danu Yoga: Fully gather and slowly wrap up is, when…

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01:14:29.000 –> 01:14:38.619
Nyk Danu Yoga: when I started thinking about yin, and then offering nidra at the end, and this might only be in my head, I’m sure my students did not know or care.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I was a little bit,

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Nyk Danu Yoga: how do I move from what’s been, you know, a little bit of talking at the beginning of class, especially if there are people that are new to Yen? I do feel like it’s not fair to just sort of throw them to the wolves if they’re used to flowing, and be like, alright, sit still!

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01:14:54.890 –> 01:15:04.399
Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m gonna drink my tea over here and not tell you what to expect, you know? Like, I do feel like a little bit of a setting of the stage, but by about post 3, I’m moving into, like.

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01:15:04.610 –> 01:15:15.319
Nyk Danu Yoga: almost no talking unless I’m guiding them in and out of the shape, or if I see something come up in the room, I might make a prop suggestion, or… but otherwise, I’m pretty quiet.

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01:15:15.450 –> 01:15:17.889
Nyk Danu Yoga: And then I thought, well, then I want to do…

674
01:15:18.820 –> 01:15:23.590
Nyk Danu Yoga: Nidra at the end, but now that’s more…

675
01:15:24.030 –> 01:15:27.970
Nyk Danu Yoga: Talking again, and will the students feel like we just went from, like.

676
01:15:28.190 –> 01:15:35.269
Nyk Danu Yoga: you know, like, talking to silence to talking to silence to, you know, and what I decided to do,

677
01:15:35.520 –> 01:15:40.159
Nyk Danu Yoga: As… as a, you know, just to… what logically came to me.

678
01:15:40.510 –> 01:15:45.330
Nyk Danu Yoga: was that I didn’t do as detailed of a body scan

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01:15:45.620 –> 01:16:01.109
Nyk Danu Yoga: When I was doing yin. So I would still mention areas of the body, but I wouldn’t do, like, you know, like, index finger, middle finger, I might do hand instead, just to kind of minimize. So any… any thoughts you have on that, and…

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Kaya Mindlin: That was what I was gonna say. I would think if you are teaching a practice that is very slow and very quiet and very body awareness sensing-based.

681
01:16:11.600 –> 01:16:23.590
Kaya Mindlin: then you go into a guided awareness. You’re sort of… you have to know where you’re picking up the thread. You’re not taking people that are in off the street, that have just been driving, that have just been…

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01:16:24.170 –> 01:16:35.900
Kaya Mindlin: talking to people, etc, where you need to start at point A. You’re kind of already partway through the alphabet, so to speak. You’ve already driven partway to your destination, and so you would pick up

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01:16:35.970 –> 01:16:55.759
Kaya Mindlin: pick up as though you’re partway to your destination. So, yeah, what you’re doing is pretty much what I was gonna say. You would start off saying less, you would start off at a slower pace with more space between your words, as though you’re already 5 minutes, 10 minutes into a Yoga nidra, you’re picking up the thread there.

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Kaya Mindlin: Whereas if they’re just in off the street, then you’re gonna maybe start with a little faster pace, a little…

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01:17:03.180 –> 01:17:16.850
Kaya Mindlin: more detail, potentially, a little more sensing from outside in, and they’re already in. So, yeah, I would… I would go with that. And having said that, I don’t… again, I don’t know yin, and I don’t like to speak about things that I don’t have expertise in, but

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Kaya Mindlin: For myself, in a therapeutic, slow style, I, for years, loved to start with guided awareness because it helped the students

687
01:17:30.180 –> 01:17:41.009
Kaya Mindlin: Come interior, land in the body, slow down so that then the pranayama and the asana practices that followed were deeper.

688
01:17:41.860 –> 01:17:47.330
Kaya Mindlin: But then we would do Yoga Nidra at the end again, and that would be different. It was, like, the first one was to sort of

689
01:17:47.500 –> 01:17:49.080
Kaya Mindlin: Take the edge off.

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01:17:49.080 –> 01:17:50.150
Nyk Danu Yoga: Yep.

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01:17:50.450 –> 01:17:53.620
Kaya Mindlin: Right? Take the edge off, and land.

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01:17:53.820 –> 01:18:05.320
Kaya Mindlin: And then do the practice, and then the second Yoga Nidra guided awareness really was more likely to take people into that Yoga Nidra state. And also, a tip for the teachers.

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Kaya Mindlin: Is that… that first guided awareness, if you were to do that, if you were to start a practice with a guided awareness.

694
01:18:13.400 –> 01:18:18.349
Kaya Mindlin: it helps you land. It slows you down.

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01:18:19.330 –> 01:18:20.089
Nyk Danu Yoga: I do agree.

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Kaya Mindlin: It makes you more comfortable with being bland, being a little bit boring, because you’re so deep yourself that you kind of don’t even really want to entertain at that point. And it gives you that yoga bhava, that yogic state that you need to guide them.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I do, a guided… I just call it a guided sentry, because it’s not really a nidra at the start, while people are in constructive rest, yeah.

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Kaya Mindlin: What do you find it helps you as a teacher.

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01:18:45.940 –> 01:18:46.360
Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes.

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01:18:46.360 –> 01:18:48.599
Kaya Mindlin: By the time you get to the end of it, you’re different.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, yeah. And they’re ready.

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01:18:51.580 –> 01:18:52.070
Kaya Mindlin: Yes.

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01:18:52.070 –> 01:18:53.840
Nyk Danu Yoga: Then, yeah, for what’s to come.

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01:18:54.430 –> 01:18:55.830
Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, beautiful.

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01:18:56.080 –> 01:19:10.379
Nyk Danu Yoga: I think you and I could probably talk about this forever, but we should probably slowly wrap it up. I do have some little, it’s weird, I started calling them at the beginning of the podcast icebreaker questions, and I realized they’d have to be at the beginning, so they’re just, you know.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Rapid-fire questions.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I know, to close out with. And then we’ll… and then we’ll share where everybody can find you and… and all that. They’re… some are simple, some are a little more soulful.

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01:19:23.040 –> 01:19:25.229
Nyk Danu Yoga: Coffee or tea?

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01:19:27.220 –> 01:19:28.290
Kaya Mindlin: T.

710
01:19:29.390 –> 01:19:30.010
Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s correct.

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01:19:30.010 –> 01:19:30.630
Kaya Mindlin: stressed.

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01:19:31.400 –> 01:19:35.290
Nyk Danu Yoga: I was just gonna say, I had a feeling there was more there.

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01:19:35.290 –> 01:19:37.700
Kaya Mindlin: Coffee in the morning, tea in the afternoon.

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01:19:37.700 –> 01:19:43.560
Nyk Danu Yoga: I’m a both, depending too, yeah, as well. Do you have a favorite ice cream flavor?

715
01:19:44.240 –> 01:19:45.730
Kaya Mindlin: Coffee.

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01:19:45.730 –> 01:19:46.400
Nyk Danu Yoga: Nice.

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01:19:47.290 –> 01:19:51.440
Nyk Danu Yoga: You’d be surprised how many yoga teachers say that, actually.

718
01:19:51.630 –> 01:19:54.900
Kaya Mindlin: We’re so relaxed, we need something to, you know, get us…

719
01:19:54.900 –> 01:19:59.039
Nyk Danu Yoga: this moving. One thing people often get wrong about me.

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01:20:03.610 –> 01:20:06.160
Kaya Mindlin: that I’m the boss in my marriage.

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01:20:10.040 –> 01:20:11.290
Nyk Danu Yoga: Interesting!

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01:20:11.570 –> 01:20:13.450
Nyk Danu Yoga: I could see people thinking that.

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01:20:13.460 –> 01:20:14.360
Kaya Mindlin: Yeah. Yeah.

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01:20:14.360 –> 01:20:15.000
Nyk Danu Yoga: Yeah.

725
01:20:15.530 –> 01:20:18.640
Nyk Danu Yoga: Do you have a pop culture vice?

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01:20:18.900 –> 01:20:27.430
Nyk Danu Yoga: when… is there a time where you… you slide all of this beautiful ancient Indian wisdom aside, and you just binge watch something, or, like, or read a…

727
01:20:27.760 –> 01:20:29.819
Nyk Danu Yoga: Fantasy book or something.

728
01:20:30.190 –> 01:20:32.420
Kaya Mindlin: I mean, I do love novels.

729
01:20:33.000 –> 01:20:41.110
Kaya Mindlin: A good binge thing. I love really, stupid.

730
01:20:43.160 –> 01:20:52.509
Kaya Mindlin: Romance movies, like, my husband calls them elder romance, like, romance about people that are, like, in their 60s.

731
01:20:52.510 –> 01:20:53.830
Nyk Danu Yoga: Aww!

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01:20:55.700 –> 01:21:03.379
Nyk Danu Yoga: That might be the only time I might break the I don’t watch romance That’s extra sweet, somehow,

733
01:21:03.550 –> 01:21:04.600
Nyk Danu Yoga: Aww.

734
01:21:05.340 –> 01:21:14.730
Nyk Danu Yoga: Finish this sentence. When I’m not practicing yoga, I am… Drinking tea?

735
01:21:15.050 –> 01:21:19.119
Kaya Mindlin: I’m in the kitchen. When I’m not doing yoga, I’m in the kitchen.

736
01:21:19.570 –> 01:21:20.760
Kaya Mindlin: Cooking.

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01:21:20.760 –> 01:21:28.169
Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, and you used to do, they all should go check out your Instagram and go back and just watch. You share recipes sometimes, which I love.

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01:21:28.170 –> 01:21:32.169
Kaya Mindlin: Yeah, I think you can… there’s… I think there’s a hashtag, like, KayaCookies or something like that.

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01:21:32.170 –> 01:21:39.689
Nyk Danu Yoga: Yes, and when I… and by recipes, I mean that kind of loosely, because you kind of cook like I do, where you’re like, here’s a framework.

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01:21:39.690 –> 01:21:41.169
Kaya Mindlin: Sorry, there’s no recipe.

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01:21:41.170 –> 01:21:46.610
Nyk Danu Yoga: A little add of extra this, and I don’t know, I just eye this, and I stir it until… yeah, that’s the way I am, too.

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01:21:46.610 –> 01:21:47.190
Kaya Mindlin: Yeah.

743
01:21:47.590 –> 01:21:51.429
Kaya Mindlin: Basically, before and after teaching, I’m always in the kitchen, yeah.

744
01:21:51.670 –> 01:21:59.399
Nyk Danu Yoga: Lovely, what a lovely home to be in. One weird fact about you.

745
01:22:01.210 –> 01:22:03.119
Kaya Mindlin: One weird fact about me.

746
01:22:03.790 –> 01:22:06.830
Kaya Mindlin: I mean, isn’t it… what isn’t weird about me?

747
01:22:12.600 –> 01:22:14.909
Kaya Mindlin: Oh, weird fact about me.

748
01:22:15.160 –> 01:22:17.140
Kaya Mindlin: I don’t know, I think I told everything.

749
01:22:17.140 –> 01:22:20.409
Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay, if you come up with something before we say goodbye, let me know.

750
01:22:21.160 –> 01:22:23.610
Nyk Danu Yoga: What the world needs now is…

751
01:22:25.050 –> 01:22:25.620
Kaya Mindlin: Love.

752
01:22:26.120 –> 01:22:26.800
Nyk Danu Yoga: Hmm.

753
01:22:26.800 –> 01:22:28.050
Kaya Mindlin: Motherly love.

754
01:22:28.830 –> 01:22:30.299
Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s always my answer, too.

755
01:22:31.400 –> 01:22:36.789
Nyk Danu Yoga: One thing I wish people knew, I usually say about yin yoga, but today we’ll say about Yoga Nidra.

756
01:22:38.500 –> 01:22:46.229
Kaya Mindlin: Mmm… Irish people knew that a sankalpa, which is what some of us will do in Yoga Nidra.

757
01:22:46.830 –> 01:22:52.969
Kaya Mindlin: is not a positive affirmation. That might need to be a whole other…

758
01:22:53.350 –> 01:22:56.160
Nyk Danu Yoga: I would… we will have to do an episode on that, because.

759
01:22:56.160 –> 01:23:01.829
Kaya Mindlin: Let’s leave it as a cliffhanger. A sagalpa is not an affirmation.

760
01:23:02.130 –> 01:23:03.520
Nyk Danu Yoga: And if those of you…

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01:23:03.850 –> 01:23:15.050
Nyk Danu Yoga: would like to have me bring Kaya back on to dive into, well, what is a Sankalpa then? Then you have to leave me comments, either on Spotify, or YouTube or on my blog. Just let me know. We can do it again.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I love that. I didn’t know that, actually, for a long time either. It actually also makes me irate when I’m on Instagram and people are using affirmations and calling them mantras.

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01:23:26.700 –> 01:23:27.220
Kaya Mindlin: Yeah.

764
01:23:27.220 –> 01:23:29.730
Nyk Danu Yoga: There’s a little… that just gets, like, goats a little bit.

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01:23:29.730 –> 01:23:35.249
Kaya Mindlin: Okay, I thought of something weird that I think you can resonate with, because I think you might be the same.

766
01:23:35.250 –> 01:23:36.090
Nyk Danu Yoga: Okay.

767
01:23:36.390 –> 01:23:38.959
Kaya Mindlin: Which is that all of my clothing…

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01:23:39.520 –> 01:23:50.760
Kaya Mindlin: falls into a very narrow category of colors. Yes. And I think my students recognize and know it at this point, and I have a feeling you’re the same, so we share that weirdness.

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01:23:50.890 –> 01:23:58.230
Nyk Danu Yoga: Pretty much. I mean, in fact, the… those of you who aren’t watching can’t see it, but this blue denim, this is, like, way out of Nick’s.

770
01:23:58.230 –> 01:23:58.660
Kaya Mindlin: It’s wild.

771
01:23:58.660 –> 01:23:59.400
Nyk Danu Yoga: Normal, yeah.

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01:24:00.200 –> 01:24:05.239
Nyk Danu Yoga: Right? Like, way out of my box, usually. I mean, I just love overalls, because they’re, like.

773
01:24:05.360 –> 01:24:08.330
Nyk Danu Yoga: They’re, like, as comfortable as yoga clothes, so, you know.

774
01:24:08.970 –> 01:24:13.900
Kaya Mindlin: I’ll tell you one other weird thing about my work, about my website, since you love branding and…

775
01:24:13.900 –> 01:24:14.410
Nyk Danu Yoga: Hmm?

776
01:24:14.410 –> 01:24:19.629
Kaya Mindlin: And I had my website designed by my current webmaster a number of years ago.

777
01:24:19.890 –> 01:24:26.680
Kaya Mindlin: And I told him how I wanted the homepage to look. I said, I want it to feel… vaginal.

778
01:24:28.550 –> 01:24:33.950
Kaya Mindlin: Because I wanted to really invoke this womb Feeling.

779
01:24:35.190 –> 01:24:39.739
Kaya Mindlin: And so I don’t know if it’s still in that state now, but that was kind of where we started.

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01:24:39.740 –> 01:24:41.760
Nyk Danu Yoga: What did they say when you said that?

781
01:24:41.760 –> 01:24:45.170
Kaya Mindlin: He was totally game.

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01:24:45.170 –> 01:24:50.820
Nyk Danu Yoga: Especially as a he, I’m like, I… did he for a moment go, What… what do you mean?

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Kaya Mindlin: No, I picked the right… I knew the designer I was speaking to, I picked the right man. He’s a very kind of a New Age architect who got into website design, but really wants to be making temples to the goddess, so it was…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Oh, awesome.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Awesome.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Is there anything else I forgot to ask you, other than this Ancalpa thing, which we can revisit? Let us know, folks, in the comments. Is there anything I forgot to ask you that you would like to add?

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Kaya Mindlin: No, I feel like we… we did… we talked about a lot.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I know.

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Kaya Mindlin: I’m guessing.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So juicy. Alright, tell everybody where they can find you.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So your… obviously your website, and that’s where your courses and your sangha are, and then anything else that you want to mention.

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Kaya Mindlin: Okay.

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Kaya Mindlin: My website is yogaWithKaia, K-A-Y-A, all spelled out, and you can find…

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Kaya Mindlin: the Nectar of Nidra program there, and do it actually self-paced.

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Kaya Mindlin: If you’re interested in training to guide yoga Nidra and train to write your own scripts, that’s on the website.

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Kaya Mindlin: And then a lot of people like the Instagram thing, so you can find me there, doing some Sanskrit pronunciation and some other things, and that’s just my name, Kaya Midland, on Instagram.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: I have to say, some of my favorite videos that you do on Instagram, other than the kitchen ones.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: are the ones where… I don’t… you haven’t done one in a while, but where you were doing reels on Sanskrit, but you had your boys with you?

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Kaya Mindlin: Yes.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: So cute.

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Kaya Mindlin: And they still love to do them. I don’t know, at one point, every time I ask, do you want to do a Sanskrit video, they immediately say yes, so…

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Aww.

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Kaya Mindlin: I’ll do some more soon.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: It’s just so cute to see them both, like, no.

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Kaya Mindlin: No.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: Not how you say it. So sweet. Well, I’m glad we finally managed to get this going. You know, and obviously things happen when they’re supposed to, so here we are.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: And, you and I will say our proper goodbyes once I hit stop record.

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Nyk Danu Yoga: But for those of you that are listening or watching, thank you so much for hanging out with my friend Kai and I, and bye for now.

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Kaya Mindlin: Thank you, bye-bye.